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Old 02-10-2017, 03:45 AM
 
Location: Midwest City, Oklahoma
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Even if Trump decided to ignore the courts, it would take a lot more people than just him to make it happen. Trump wouldn't be able to enforce a travel ban all on his own. You'd have to essentially have thousands of people within the government agree to essentially rip this country's system of checks and balances apart and usurp authority. You think that's gonna happen?
Trump is the head of the executive branch. The executive branch is the only branch of the government who can enforce any law. The TSA, the NSA, the FBI, the CIA, the Military, and every other arm of government, answers only to Donald Trump.

If he wanted to enforce the travel ban, he has the power to send the Army, or even the national guard, to the airports to prevent foreign entry.


During the Civil-Rights era, the president marched the US Army and National guard troops, into the public-schools, to enforce desegregation.

It wasn't the courts who made that order, because they don't have the authority to make that order. The president is the commander-in-chief of the armed forces. He can send them anywhere in the country. And the only thing that can stop him, is the power of the Congress to impeach him.


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Our system of government only works because those within in operate on a good faith basis. As soon as people start going rogue, we no longer have a government, we have anarchy, and totalitarianism soon to follow.
I agree with you here. The only reason our government is as peaceful and stable as it is, is because the various branches of government have respected each other.

If Trump begins to cast doubt on the legitimacy of the various branches of our government, he begins to cast doubt on the legitimacy of every branch of the government. And this is especially worrisome, being that he wasn't even elected with a majority of the vote.


If he pushes too hard, there is going to be a lot of push back. And in the end, you are going to have lawlessness, and potentially Civil-War. And you won't actually end up with anarchy, you will end up with despotism. A strong-man, who can keep order.
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Old 02-10-2017, 04:04 AM
 
Location: NE Ohio
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Any court that has been overturned 85% OF THE TIME, NEEDS something done about them.

It proves they are NOT fit to be federal judges.

I think impeachment is in order.
It appears the Congress agrees. I read yesterday that they are drafting legislation to split the 9th Circuit, and make it much smaller, creating a 12 Circuit for the rest. There was talk about the fact that the 9th Circuit was way to 'liberal' as well. They could be thinking of this recent terrible decision on Trump's travel ban.

The Congress has the authority to create or eliminate any courts as they see fit, and to remove any judges.
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Old 02-10-2017, 04:10 AM
 
Location: Florida
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Trump should ignore the court and declare the ban to continue
This EO was a complete fiasco from the start. He bypassed all the processes and entities which are meant to be used when creating EOs, and the end result was a nationwide chaos, anger and confusion.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/graph...l-ban-process/
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Old 02-10-2017, 04:17 AM
 
Location: Florida
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The Congress has the authority to create or eliminate any courts as they see fit, and to remove any judges.
Trump is probably begging them to tear down the judicial system and put GOP activist judges in every court, and hence remove those annoying checks and balances which the Constitution mandates.

However, I do not think "We The People" would put up with it such takeover.
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Old 02-10-2017, 04:25 AM
 
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Trumpistan and his new bestest buddy Russia.
No way Russia is going to conquer America, the only outcome i see with a conflict with Russia is mutually assured destruction as we trade thousands of nuclear weapons.
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Old 02-10-2017, 04:39 AM
 
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He will continue to fight for the ban. After all, he has unlimited federal money at his disposal to do so. He wouldn't ever need to cut his losses and settle like he did with trump U.
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Old 02-10-2017, 06:06 AM
 
Location: Central Ohio
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And it's not Trump. Again, he is not King. However much you want him to be (to get the "judiciary under control").

We have a process for this - these checks and balances exist for very legitimate reasons. I predict the Supreme Court will decide where things fall. If things are as you say ("legal"), then Trump will get his way.

Until then, the President will just have to learn to deal with this. As all Presidents before him did. We are not about to let this country slip into an authoritarian dictatorship. What a horrible thing to want.
Oh blah, blah, blah.

These so called judges, who are really political activists, must be impeached.

For a little bit of history I would suggest you read the Pat Buchanan's column.

TRUMP MUST BREAK JUDICIAL POWER
Pat Buchanan: 'A clipping of the court's wings is long overdue'

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As for Trump’s disparagement of the judges, only someone ignorant of history can view that as frightening.

Thomas Jefferson not only refused to enforce the Alien & Sedition Acts of President John Adams, his party impeached Supreme Court Justice Samuel Chase, who had presided over one of the trials.

Jackson defied Chief Justice John Marshall’s prohibition against moving the Cherokees out of Georgia to west of the Mississippi, where, according to the Harvard resume of Sen. Warren, one of them bundled fruitfully with one of her ancestors, making her part Cherokee.

When Chief Justice Roger Taney declared that President Abraham Lincoln’s suspension of the writ of habeas corpus violated the Constitution, Lincoln considered sending U.S. troops to arrest the chief justice.
All of these so called judges are ignorant of the law and should not be judges.
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Old 02-10-2017, 06:16 AM
 
Location: The Republic of Texas
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Trump is probably begging them to tear down the judicial system and put GOP activist judges in every court, and hence remove those annoying checks and balances which the Constitution mandates.

However, I do not think "We The People" would put up with it such takeover.

The 9th was created in 1891, when the was was only 4% of the population. Now with 20% of the population, the court is overburdened and it takes forever to get cases heard, with justice to be swift, they must be broken and a 12th district created.
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Old 02-10-2017, 06:17 AM
 
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Oh blah, blah, blah.

These so called judges, who are really political activists, must be impeached.

All of these so called judges are ignorant of the law and should not be judges.
"All judges are ignorant and should not be judges", my questions to you are....

1) then who should be judges?

2) what qualifications do you have to judge someone?

3) No judge will be impeached before Trump is.(lol)

4) ever hear the sound that the teacher in a Charlie Brown cartoon makes ,well you nailed it.
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Old 02-10-2017, 06:20 AM
 
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The 9th was created in 1891, when the was was only 4% of the population. Now with 20% of the population, the court is overburdened and it takes forever to get cases heard, with justice to be swift, they must be broken and a 12th district created.
It would be cheaper just to appoint it more judges.
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