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Old 02-11-2017, 05:19 PM
 
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Exactly, just watch Matewan. A movie about the company town of Matewan, West Virginia. Back before miners were unionized. The mining company resorted to some very criminal acts including homicide to stop the miners from unionizing, finally resulting in a full on battle between the mercenaries the mining company hired and the citizens of the town
That was a great movie. So was the Molly Maguires, with Sean Connery.

The coal companies never gave a crap about miners.
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Old 02-11-2017, 05:24 PM
 
Location: NE Ohio
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Don't worry FOX will step in and Make up a story about how something Obama did killed coal and trumps hands are tied....

Fox wont stop backing Trump until it is unprofitable.... and it will be soon. Frankly we should be requesting advertisers boycott Fox until they stop lying.
The "make up" artists are CNN and the rest of the Leftist media. Remember, "Trump removed the bust of MLK Jr. from the White House"?
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Old 02-11-2017, 05:29 PM
 
Location: NE Ohio
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Unfortunately, the Trump people have no understanding of energy or energy policy.
Really? That's laughable! Really laughable. Did you make that up just now? Obama had no understanding of energy and energy policy. If he did, he would know that we will never not need oil, and that so-called "renewable energy" is a liberal pipe dream ...like a perpetual motion machine!
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Old 02-11-2017, 05:31 PM
 
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Don't worry FOX will step in and Make up a story about how something Obama did killed coal and trumps hands are tied....

Fox wont stop backing Trump until it is unprofitable.... and it will be soon. Frankly we should be requesting advertisers boycott Fox until they stop lying.
Totally funny! Fox doesn't back Trump. A very few individuals like Dobbs, Hannity and very few others back him. The rest of Fox bashes Trump only in varying lesser degrees than the rest of the MSM. If you actually watched it you would already know this.

This is why Fox stinks and I am a proud supporter of Donald J. Trump!!!!
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Old 02-11-2017, 05:45 PM
 
Location: Long Island
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I agree with op to a certain degree.

This said, There is nevertheless a broad problem in coal country. Many miners have lost their jobs, either to automation or to mines being closed. Most of them have no other skills or training, and there are few industries operating near their homes where they might be retrained and employed. Large-scale layoffs of miners means that other businesses are also closing, so there are few jobs of any sort which might provide incomes for the miners and their families.

What are we going to do to help these people? Tell them, you should go out get an education because life isn't fair? Give me a break?

The principal solution for these people is the same as it has always been whenever employment opportunities vanish in some area. Move out, to somewhere that jobs exist or where one can be self-sufficient living off the land. I have couple of friends who joined the Marine Corps, what else could they do?

Everyone has to adapt and evolve. I work in financial services and we've seen tremendous change as well, much of it due to offshoring jobs and automation. Everyone has to look for ways to make themselves relevant as the world changes. Things are not moving backward.
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Old 02-11-2017, 06:12 PM
 
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You seriously think manual labor is going to flourish in the future? Everything that's even remotely dangerous will be done b y robots.
I can't and won't refute you on that. Alot of dangerous labor in Japan and South Korea is being done by robots. Robots are phasing out certain jobs.

I will say this as well. We know the inevitable will take place. However, the people who are out of jobs, many don't know how to adjust to that.

A good example is Milwaukee. Alot of people were employed in the factories. Milwaukee's unemployment rate jumped when factories closed, or automation took place. Alot of people who were used to doing manual labor found themselves in a position of obsolescence.

Leaving won't work because this same trend is everywhere. It's either get retrained in something else or else.

What do we tell those individuals who are unemployed?
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Old 02-11-2017, 11:48 PM
 
Location: ATX/Houston
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Really? That's laughable! Really laughable. Did you make that up just now? Obama had no understanding of energy and energy policy. If he did, he would know that we will never not need oil, and that so-called "renewable energy" is a liberal pipe dream ...like a perpetual motion machine!
Oh is that why oil and natural gas broke domestic records in 2014.....?

Is that why new energy installation in 2016 was a majority renewable.....?

Seems you need to put down the tea party crack pipe and learn the facts of energy usage.....
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Old 02-11-2017, 11:50 PM
 
Location: ATX/Houston
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The "make up" artists are CNN and the rest of the Leftist media. Remember, "Trump removed the bust of MLK Jr. from the White House"?
Remember Bowling Green? Remember that Atlanta terror attack..... by the Christian Fundamentalist during the Olympics..... Remember how millions of illegal immigrants stole the popular vote from Trump? Remember how Trump had the most bigly inauguration ever?
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Old 02-12-2017, 12:04 AM
 
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Really? That's laughable! Really laughable. Did you make that up just now? Obama had no understanding of energy and energy policy. If he did, he would know that we will never not need oil, and that so-called "renewable energy" is a liberal pipe dream ...like a perpetual motion machine!
And yet we have stats such as these...

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Clean Energy Jobs Increasing, Fossil Fuel Jobs Decreasing, Says IRENA

IRENA, the International Renewable Energy Agency, says the trend is clear. Jobs in clean energy industries like solar, wind, geothermal and hydroelectric are increasing while jobs in oil, natural gas, and coal extraction are decreasing worldwide. About 8.1 million people worldwide had jobs in the clean energy in 2015. That’s up from 7.7 million in 2014, according to the latest figures from IRENA

The clean energy advocacy group, which is based in Abu Dhabi, says jobs in the solar industry in the US were greater than those in oil and gas extraction for the first time in 2015. Job creation in the solar sector grew 12 times faster than overall job creation. By contrast, oil and gas producers slashed 351,410 jobs worldwide since prices began to slide in the middle of 2014, according to Houston-based Graves & Co.

https://cleantechnica.com/2016/12/05...ng-says-irena/

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Old 02-12-2017, 12:50 AM
 
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Coal is still very much the future, along with fracking gas. The difference being Republicans think in terms of a 50 year plan and Democrats more of a just now plan.


Yeah, it would be nice if all pickups got 50mpg but given the technology now, it's just not logical nor possible, much like many of Lefty policies. Obama's failed solar pet project, exhibit A.
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