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Old 02-12-2017, 09:05 PM
 
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We know that. Obama deported more than any president before him.

No, he didn't that's all been debunked before. Add to that his EO's allowing millions of illegals a stay of deportation and his deportation record was dismal.
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Old 02-12-2017, 10:06 PM
 
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Also, they are here in violation of our immigration laws. Break a law and it's a crime regardless if it's a misdemeanor or whatever.
No, a violation of civil law is not a crime. I'm sorry you are having so much trouble with that.

Undocumented presence in the United States is only criminally punishable if it occurs after an
individual was previously formally removed from the United States and then returned without
permission. 8 U.S.C. § 1326 (any individual previously “deported or removed” who “enters,
attempts to enter, or is at any time found in” the United States without authorization may be
punished by imprisonment up to two years). Mere undocumented presence in the United
States alone, however, in the absence of a previous removal order and unauthorized reentry,
is not a crime under federal law. https://www.aclu.org/files/assets/FI...IC_VERSION.pdf
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Old 02-12-2017, 10:07 PM
 
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No, he didn't that's all been debunked before. Add to that his EO's allowing millions of illegals a stay of deportation and his deportation record was dismal.
debunked where?
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Old 02-12-2017, 10:12 PM
 
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debunked where?
Can't find it off the top of my head, however how the statisitics were measured was changed.

HOWEVER...That doesn't mean that Obama slowed down illegal immigration. The REALITY is that total illegals in the US went down under Obama, however not by nearly as much as you would think based on the deportation statistic.

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Old 02-12-2017, 10:34 PM
 
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Can't find it off t6he top of my head, however how the statisitics were measured was changed. HOWEVER...That doesn't mean that Obama slowed down illegal immigration. The REALITY is that total illegals in the US went down under Obama, however not by nearly as much as you would think based on the deportation statistic.
I think what you are talking about is that there has been some criticism that Obama should not have counted border apprehensions some people think those aren't as 'significant' as interior removals, but here are statistics for removals by year:
U.S. deportations of immigrants reach record high in 2013 | Pew Research Center

I don't think anyone has given Obama credit for reducing the total number of illegals in the US, most people who have studied it attribute the decrease in Mexican illegal immigration on a reduced birth rate and the US recession. There is a link to a PDF on this site that does a pretty good analysis of it. US Undocumented Population Drops Below 11 Million in 2014, with Continued Declines in the Mexican Undocumented Population | Warren | Journal on Migration and Human Security
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Old 02-12-2017, 10:35 PM
 
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Ah, the beauty of federal power (in this instance)
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Old 02-13-2017, 01:21 AM
 
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We know that. Obama deported more than any president before him.
He did no such thing:


Deportations come mostly from border, DHS chief says - Washington Times

High deportation figures are misleading - LA Times
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Old 02-13-2017, 02:28 AM
 
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Both are happening. Some are finding ways to live off of Uncle Sugar. Others are taking jobs away from Americans.
A lot of them work, and then claim up to 12 dependents on their taxes and get thousands of dollars under the "earned income tax credit" (which should be eliminated by the way.)

The "dependents" -- if they exist at all -- live in Mexico.

The IRS under Obama knew this was going on but did nothing about it.

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Actually "being here" is not a crime, it's a civil tort.
It's a civil infraction, not a civil tort.

Now that Jeff Sessions is attorney general and General Kelly is in charge of DHS, the illegals and their employers (as well as sanctuary cities) are going to be feeling more and more heat.

The IRS is going to share its information on TINs with ICE -- something it hasn't done in the past -- to identify and locate illegal aliens.

Sanctuary city mayors and sanctuary state governors are going to be arrested and charged with the felony of harboring illegal aliens.

Federal funds are going to be denied to sanctuary cities and states.

If the Republicans in Congress are serious, they will make e-verify mandatory, which will prevent employers from claiming they "didn't know" that someone was here illegally.

They will greatly expand the border patrol and ICE, pass laws limiting legal defenses for illegal aliens, provide funding for the wall, make illegal entry a felony, etc.

We're just getting started here.

As for the "Obama deported more" nonsense, he issued executive orders for "dreamers" and their parents that covered millions of illegals.

His net "deportations" were less than zero, because he stopped deportation for way more illegals than he deported.

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Old 02-13-2017, 05:07 AM
 
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Being illegal is not a crime, but it is cause for deportation. And DUI is not a serious crime, it's not considered a serious crime in any state so I'm not sure where you are going with that.
Someone might want to remind Deblasio that 2nd offence DUI in his own state of NY is a felony.....sure sounds like NY considers it a serious crime.
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Old 02-13-2017, 05:13 AM
 
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It's a civil infraction, not a civil tort..
Indeed. He also said previously that DUI is not a serious crime.
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