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Old 02-12-2017, 09:07 PM
 
Location: Gilbert, Arizona
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Well where I live, the whole metro is pretty liberal but that's where the jobs are too.

"In other words, an average of 236 people are moving to the Seattle area each day..."

Seattle region's population growing at historic pace, making biggest annual gain in a century - GeekWire

And with so many people moving here, there simply aren't enough houses so people have to live further out.

Red states can do whatever they want, I have no interest in what they do as long as they stay away from us.
Seattle has a long history of liberal culture, same as San Francisco. No problem with that. It's just most metros are usually anchored on some city that have always been historically Democratic. That's the trend I noticed.
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Old 02-12-2017, 09:08 PM
 
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Fundamental problem: Scarcity of land

So now do you see a correlation between expensive cities and more regulation? It's not as easy as you put it.
Best example of this issue magnified: San Francisco and NYC.
Scarcity of land is absolutely true and regulation goes both ways.

Washington state has no income tax and lower property taxes than Texas. But they have higher sin taxes (cigarettes, liquor, etc.) and the legalization of marijuana has resulted in $250M in tax revenue.

Marijuana sales in Washington state top $1 billion: Report - Washington Times

One would think other states would be rushing to capture that kind of revenue but red states mostly don't which is fine with Washington state.
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Old 02-12-2017, 09:12 PM
 
Location: Lost in Montana *recalculating*...
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Western states, even 'red' states, are more blue than the SE US.

Maybe more libertarian.

There is a quality of life here that is second to none, and I'd pay for it. Moved from WV out here and ain't ever looking back..
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Old 02-12-2017, 09:15 PM
 
Location: Gilbert, Arizona
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Western states, even 'red' states, are more blue than the SE US.

Maybe more libertarian.

There is a quality of life here that is second to none, and I'd pay for it. Moved from WV out here and ain't ever looking back..
Yup I agree, I'm from California (Los Angeles) myself and it's culturally rich and diverse, generally nice people all around from all walks of life. That's what I miss the most. The only downside is you have to be able to pay for it. Gotta love that free market sometimes.
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Old 02-12-2017, 09:32 PM
 
Location: Gilbert, Arizona
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There will be no market there. btw Rich people are rich for a reason. They're better at managing their money than the average person. They dont go off half cocked and buy up things just because. Reasons matter. Neat example though.

Not just the high cost of living but does one get the bang for the buck?
Sure rich people could be better at money. Though, you can't prove that as it's human behavior.

Here's an issue you might consider:
If those people who are better at spending money has the most wealth and the entire economy suffers because of it (people don't have money to spend carelessly and the wealthiest don't spend all their money as they don't need to, to live), is that justified?

To me, if I was a millionaire, but if you had to force me to choose between the entire economy hurting versus taxing me more, please tax me more. I'm not that selfish, I will still survive with 1 milllion instead of 2.
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Old 02-12-2017, 09:32 PM
 
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Its interesting in a way. The people most affected by taxes are the blue states. Meanwhile the red states scream and moan about them. The reason though can also be seen in the demographics, and statistics mentioned.
Poor people always seem to think its temporary. And by golly hard work will fix it...except there has to be work.

Farms are increasingly automated, and larger and larger. The factories? Increasingly automated, or overseas. I mean, lets be honest folks, the Red states have very little to offer folks. And that's a problem. They are the canary in the coal mine really. As automation hits harder and harder, democrats need to have a solution in mind-because while the GOP doesn't have one (See their day 1 ACA replacement plan for a example), they do claim to. IE they lie to their base a lot. While it has worked out well now, in order to keep it going they need to get those folks to stop believing reality. And they're hard at work there.

Because up until now they could blame the democrats.

BTW they will KEEP using the democrats as their blame target-thats why they won't use the nuclear option to make all votes only require 50 voted in the Senate. They desperately NEED to be able to blame democrats.

But remember folks, its a rule-not a law. And they can change that rule if they really wanted. Reality? They won't.
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Old 02-12-2017, 09:37 PM
 
Location: Gilbert, Arizona
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Its interesting in a way. The people most affected by taxes are the blue states. Meanwhile the red states scream and moan about them. The reason though can also be seen in the demographics, and statistics mentioned.
Poor people always seem to think its temporary. And by golly hard work will fix it...except there has to be work.

Farms are increasingly automated, and larger and larger. The factories? Increasingly automated, or overseas. I mean, lets be honest folks, the Red states have very little to offer folks. And that's a problem. They are the canary in the coal mine really. As automation hits harder and harder, democrats need to have a solution in mind-because while the GOP doesn't have one (See their day 1 ACA replacement plan for a example), they do claim to. IE they lie to their base a lot. While it has worked out well now, in order to keep it going they need to get those folks to stop believing reality. And they're hard at work there.

Because up until now they could blame the democrats.

BTW they will KEEP using the democrats as their blame target-thats why they won't use the nuclear option to make all votes only require 50 voted in the Senate. They desperately NEED to be able to blame democrats.

But remember folks, its a rule-not a law. And they can change that rule if they really wanted. Reality? They won't.
I'm pretty sure one day, reality will hit everyone very hard and the country will swing progressive, just like the FDR days and we'll transform into a European-style country with a stronger safety net and a more white collar workforce. I guess folks don't see that all this change is due to capitalism, which drives technology to reduce cost and increase profits to please shareholders.
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Old 02-12-2017, 09:53 PM
 
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Let's also not forget that most corporations are headquartered in blue states, even with the high taxes and regulations. Part of this is that the talent in blue states is obviously much better (smarter workers).

Even when companies open offices in red states like texas, it's only for non-essential or junior roles. Take Stitchhfix, which is headquartered in CA but opened an office in TX. The CEO has stated multiple times that TX has a favorable business environment and allows them to hire people in non-essential roles...but the level of talent in the Bay Area is so much superior, which is why they are and will continue to keep their headquarters in CA.
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Old 02-12-2017, 09:56 PM
 
Location: Gilbert, Arizona
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Let's also not forget that most corporations are headquartered in blue states, even with the high taxes and regulations. Part of this is that the talent in blue states is obviously much better (smarter workers).

Even when companies open offices in red states like texas, it's only for non-essential or junior roles. Take Stitchhfix, which is headquartered in CA but opened an office in TX. The CEO has stated multiple times that TX has a favorable business environment and allows them to hire people in non-essential roles...but the level of talent in the Bay Area is so much superior, which is why they are and will continue to keep their headquarters in CA.
+1

Plus, CA invests a MASSIVE amount of money into K-12 education and higher education. Most middle/working class people have a fully funded financial aid program for 4-year undergraduate education as long as they can get admitted into any public university. Some of the best private and public universities are located in CA.
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Old 02-12-2017, 09:57 PM
 
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And the biggest difference...OBESITY RATES

Let's face it, being overweight/obese is unhealthy, undesirable, and sheds light on the poor lifestyles of said persons. Blue states are clearly superior on this front.
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