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Old 02-13-2017, 08:42 PM
 
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And why shouldn't he? Immigration is good for the immigrants, bad for the natives.
The U.S. needs the talent and manpower of immigrants.

Obviously that doesn't mean you fling the doors open to anybody and everybody but it does mean fostering a welcoming and diverse culture. It also means cultivating strong relationships with our allies and making sure we are in fact the shining city on the hill.
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Old 02-13-2017, 08:51 PM
 
Location: near bears but at least no snakes
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Boston Hospitals Among Victims of Trump Travel Ban


Saravi—the top life sciences graduate student in all of Iran—was to work in Dr. Thomas Michel’s cardiology lab at BWH. Michel, the son and grandson of immigrants, says he was aghast to learn of Trump’s executive order.


An Iranian researcher named Seyed Soheil Saeedi Saravi was planning to study diabetes’ effects on the heart as a postdoctoral fellow at Brigham & Women’s Hospital (BWH). His visa was terminated by this ban. An Iranian geneticist was removed from a plane during the ban and an Iranian molecular geneticist researching at Mass General Hospital now risks being able to return to the US if he leaves for a conference in Canada.

Many Boston hospitals have been affected. These people could be our future doctors or at least could contribute to medical discoveries.

My own primary care physician is from Iran and he shares an office with a doctor from Spain. We need the best and the brightest from other countries. These people have been well vetted--you don't just suddenly decide to ban people who already have visas or green cards.
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Old 02-13-2017, 08:52 PM
 
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Every year, there are thousands more residency positions that must be filled than there are medical school graduates from US medical schools. Those positions have been filled with FMG's (Foreign Medical Graduates) for years. And yes, a surprising number of them are actually from those 7 countries. They tend to fill gaps in Internal Medicine programs (and subspecialties) and Family Practice programs. When they complete their training in the US, many of them stay to provide health care services in rural and small urban areas where it is difficult to recruit and retain American physicians. A fair number practice in VA Hospitals providing services to our Veterans. They are a critical component of the healthcare delivery in this country. Should the US have more medical schools and training programs and allow more students to matriculate? Of course. But until that can happen, we should probably not be limiting options for sourcing more physicians in this country (assuming they are qualified, of course).

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Old 02-13-2017, 08:55 PM
 
Location: Living rent free in your head
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All the more reason why we need to completely restructure medical school in this country. That someone needs to sit in school for 15 years of their life to become a doctor is absurd and their education is filled with nonsense that they will never use. Our country should be graduating more doctors, not importing them.
It's not the lack of medical schools it's the lack of residency programs, we can't pay for those AND increase our defense budget above the 600 billion we currently spend AND spend 22 billion on a wall. If training more doctors is a priority to you I suggest that you contact your legislators and ask them to try to obtain federal funding for more residency programs.

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Old 02-13-2017, 08:59 PM
 
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2sleepy and Texas AG just contradicted each other. Is it not enough residences or not enough graduates?

I just thought that was funny two posters saying opposite things one after the other.
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Old 02-13-2017, 09:03 PM
 
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And why shouldn't he? Immigration is good for the immigrants, bad for the natives.
Just ask the Native Americans
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Old 02-13-2017, 09:06 PM
 
Location: Texas
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2sleepy and Texas AG just contradicted each other. Is it not enough residences or not enough graduates?

I just thought that was funny two posters saying opposite things one after the other.
There are almost 30K residency positions that must be filled each year. There are about 18K allopathic (MD) medical graduates from US medical schools each year. To fill allopathic training programs that go unfilled by US MD grads, programs will select (in decreasing order of desirability): DO's, then American Medical graduates from offshore schools (primarily in the Caribbean) and lastly, Foreign Medical Graduates. The percentages of US Seniors filling Internal Medicine and Family Practice positions is less than 50%.

http://www.nrmp.org/press-release-re...inues-to-grow/

I don't want to speak for 2sleepy, but I think what he/she might be suggesting is that the current number of residency training programs in this country is not sufficient to keep up with demand, especially with the shortages of physicians predicted in the near future. Moreover, residency slots are funded by the federal government through the Medicare program, and I think that is what he references as being a cost we would have to incur as taxpayers.

Of course, the ideal situation would be increasing both medical school and training positions and filling them with Americans, but that won't solve problems in the near term. Not to mention the reality that these other counties are sending their best and brightest here to be trained, presumably to return home and provide much needed services in their home countries (which doesn't happen if they stay in the US).

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Old 02-13-2017, 09:42 PM
 
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2sleepy and Texas AG just contradicted each other. Is it not enough residences or not enough graduates?

I just thought that was funny two posters saying opposite things one after the other.
All I can tell you is that two of my cousins have kids who went to medical schools and had a very difficult time getting a residency, according to them there aren't enough slots for the number of graduating physicians and here's an article that supports that: Shortage of residency slots may have chilling effect on next generation of physicians | TheHill
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Old 02-13-2017, 09:47 PM
 
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Most Americans are far too dumb to become doctors.
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Old 02-13-2017, 09:56 PM
 
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Most Americans are far too dumb to become doctors.
We have good pool of Doctors, However the real problem the left has in place hi Malpractice insurance and frankly to become a doctor comes a high price.


You want American Docs, lets go with tort reform.
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