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This year 6% of American graduates did not match into residency programs. That is largely because American graduates don't try to match in primary care specialties. And with the cost of medical training in the US, who can blame them? If you are coming out of school with $300k in student loans, you are going to want to earn a lot of money to pay that off. I pay my nurse anesthetists more than many primary care doctors earn.
Texas and 2sleepy are both right. Primary care residencies don't fill for the reasons I stated above, and the slack is taken up by foreign medical graduates. But the overall shortage of doctors can only be overcome by more residency positions (regardless of whether they are filled by Americans or foreigners) which requires government funding.
Agree. If an American allopathic medical graduate fails to match, there is almost always a very good explanation as to why, and it usually always centers on a choice to go into a very competitive specialty without a back up plan, poor USMLE Step I scores and/or not interviewing well.
We have to incentivize future physicians to go into these primary care fields like IM and FP where the income is comparatively low and the hassle factor is comparatively high. Right now, it is a very bad business choice for a competitive medical student to try and pursue these fields, and it's a double whammy, because we are facing major shortages of practitioners.
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You need to go to college to be a doctor, 60% of Americans don't even have an Associate's Degree.
This isn't about the temporary ban from those 7 countries, it's about the fact that Team Trump wants to end legal immigration as well.
Where and in what universe can you conclude Trump wants to end legal immigration.
That is the stuff of brainwashing. the kind you see in the movies or read about in fiction novels.
It is also very frightening that people are walking around buying into the dems fear mongering campaign.
Political opposition has now assumed a Hatian, Papa Doc voodoo hysteria. That is indeed something to fear, especially when the media gets on board to perpetuate the lies.
The law that the EO was based on has special provisions for Medical Doctors.
You all know what law that is, it has been posted many times, your memory should not need refreshed.
Read the law.
Most Americans are far too dumb to become doctors.
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We have good pool of Doctors, However the real problem the left has in place hi Malpractice insurance and frankly to become a doctor comes a high price.
You want American Docs, lets go with tort reform.
Yes, the Democrats have destroyed medicine by supporting the trial lawyers and O'care. Doctors are leaving the profession in droves.
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Its a temporary ban until of these travelers can be vetted. I am sure he will get in just fine.
This country is under attack by these 7 countries and we need to be sure who we let in!
Psst.
You're interrupting their panic attacks, virtue signaling, and all-around hysteria.
They don't like that.
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The haste with which the EO was rolled out is much of the problem.
I know several highly educated folks, including doctors, who won't leave the country right now because they're afraid they won't be let back in. NOT because they're from those 7 countries. But because who knows what DJ's going to sign next?! While these folks are abroad, or en route? What countries might he add next? What about H1B visas? Can an EO suddenly revoke those? I know real people who are very afraid of that happening. It's affecting businesses. It's affecting families who are canceling trips and staying put.
Who can blame them after this "Muslim ban" fiasco?
Why do these people have to keep leaving and then coming back to the U.S.?
Don't they have work to do here?
Most professionals I've known have gone years without taking a vacation or traveling. They're too busy.
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^^That is exactly what some folks I know from actual third world countries have said.
They are flabbergasted. They've said, "we thought America was so much better than this"
Well, nobody is forcing them to stay here.
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Where and in what universe can you conclude Trump wants to end legal immigration.
Why do these people have to keep leaving and then coming back to the U.S.?
Don't they have work to do here?
Most professionals I've known have gone years without taking a vacation or traveling. They're too busy.
Well, nobody is forcing them to stay here.
Well, sometimes, grown ups have jobs that involve traveling. For example, professionals working in global multi-national corporations frequently visit offices and have meetings all over the world. Many physicians conferences are held in tropical resorts. Many people also like to visit their families every year.
I'm sure you can come up with some good reasons to travel outside of the US.
The professionals you know are in the wrong business if they haven't taken a vacation or traveled in years.
I'd defer to the medical profession on this. They're known for their conservative politics and they are no doubt far more in touch with the issues than us lay folks.
Well, sometimes, grown ups have jobs that involve traveling. For example, professionals working in global multi-national corporations frequently visit offices and have meetings all over the world. Many physicians conferences are held in tropical resorts. Many people also like to visit their families every year.
I'm sure you can come up with some good reasons to travel outside of the US.
Yeah, they have patients all over the world and have to make house calls.
Tell me about all those five star tropical resorts in Somalia, Iraq, Syria, etc.
And all those international conferences.
And all those multinational corporation headquarters.
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The professionals you know are in the wrong business if they haven't taken a vacation or traveled in years.
They seem to be doing pretty well to me.
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