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Old 02-20-2017, 11:24 AM
 
Location: Midwest City, Oklahoma
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Neither party is going anywhere. This is a two-party system. The parties might change their policy positions, but neither are going anywhere.


Trump is not a Republican, but what exactly is a Republican anyway? Ron Paul? George Bush? John McCain? Rick Santorum?

Trump has more in common with a Woodrow Wilson, or a Franklin Roosevelt, or a Hillary Clinton, than a George Bush.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Progressivism

 
Old 02-20-2017, 11:26 AM
 
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Both parties are too entrenched to die off.


With the exception of W's 50.7% in 2005, Republicans have been in a high 45% to high 48% band over the last 5 Presidential elections. Trump only claimed 46%- but that 46% included about 170k votes in the states that mattered most.


Moving forward the Dems have an advantage in changing Demographics and the Rs have the advantage in the more rural states that are disproportionately represented in both the electoral college and the US Senate.


In the House R's have a current advantage in how the state maps/districts are drawn thanks to the bid 2010 wins that gave them power of reapportionment. But that may or may not hold after the 2020 elections.


The simple truth is that each has held a massive advantage at least twice in the last 24 years. And neither time did that big advantage survive more than 4 years (arguably 2 years.)


The big kicker isn't even immigration to the US- it is migration within the country. Move a half million votes around in any recent election (except 2008) and you could have flipped the outcomes. And the Senate races in each of the last 5 Presidential have often seen the party winning control flip some seats with several razor thin victories.
 
Old 02-20-2017, 11:51 AM
 
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What kind of mind must you have to think that winning the Presidency and a Senate and House majority would be considered a last gasp
 
Old 02-20-2017, 11:57 AM
 
Location: NE Ohio
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More like it was the last gasp of the Democrat Party. The Republicans have been energized. The economy is responding and rebounding after eight years of stagnation. And Democrats are paving the way for the loss of more of their seats in 2018, because they refuse to work with the President, even though a new poll shows that 70 some percent of America thinks that the Democrats should work with the Trump administration. They won't do it, and they will be the losers again in 2018.
 
Old 02-20-2017, 12:00 PM
 
Location: NE Ohio
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One battle, in a long and poorly fought "war" against the establishment/progressive federal bureaucracy. I am hoping this is the beginning of the people of this great country waking up and seeing what they are about to lose. Namely, freedom, liberty and the pursuit of happiness. God Bless Donald Trump.
I agree, 100% God Bless America, and God Bless Donald Trump!

Hillary would have been the death of America, just as her Muslim friends (The Muslim Brotherhood) continually chant.
 
Old 02-20-2017, 12:42 PM
 
Location: Houston, texas
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Its the Democrats that are scared Trump will succeed at re-establishing American greatness with new diagnoses on trade, global currency, manufacturing, and International alliances.
If he succeeds its the Democrats that will be on their last gasp. The Democratic Party is weaker than its been for generations. Sadly they are always, in every circumstance, committed to overthrowing and reversing reality. Apparently these people are afraid of America being great unless they can dictate the terms. Everything is not a social construct.
 
Old 02-20-2017, 12:49 PM
 
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False. The Republican Party is stronger than ever: the Republicans just took a significant voting bloc away from the Democrats: the Northern White Working Class (NWWC).

Back in the day, Richard Nixon used the Southern Strategy to expand the Republican base. He attracted the Southern White Working Class (SWWC), which was alienated by LBJ's Civil Rights legislation, to the Republican Party.

Trump used a similar strategy: he found a voting bloc that was alienated by the Democrats (the NWWC) and attracted them to the Republican fold. The NWWC has been destroyed by illegal immigration and neoliberalism, two policies that the modern Democrats fully support.

The New Deal Coalition is officially dead: the White Working Class is now Republican.

Will the Republicans actually do anything to improve the lives of the WWC? Hell no. But politics is politics.

Alienated by civil rights? Are you really implying that civil rights are bad?

To what another poster said, no the Democrats are not focusing on minorities too much. In fact, i all minorities voted, the Republicans would have almost no chance of winning with their current platform.

I do think that the Dems should try to appeal to as many people as possible, but I think their platform is by far the most inclusive of the two major parties. Also, it's not like the Republicans seem to cate about the middle class anyway, they favor the rich. Their


Also, keep in mind Reagan won almost every state both times, but that was not the death of the Democrat party. Bill Clinton and Barack Obama would go on to win two landslide victories each.

The Southern strategy is about fearmongering and the culture war anyway, not economics or improving the lives of even white people.
 
Old 02-20-2017, 12:53 PM
 
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Originally Posted by mrpeatie View Post
Both parties are too entrenched to die off.


With the exception of W's 50.7% in 2005, Republicans have been in a high 45% to high 48% band over the last 5 Presidential elections. Trump only claimed 46%- but that 46% included about 170k votes in the states that mattered most.


Moving forward the Dems have an advantage in changing Demographics and the Rs have the advantage in the more rural states that are disproportionately represented in both the electoral college and the US Senate.


In the House R's have a current advantage in how the state maps/districts are drawn thanks to the bid 2010 wins that gave them power of reapportionment. But that may or may not hold after the 2020 elections.


The simple truth is that each has held a massive advantage at least twice in the last 24 years. And neither time did that big advantage survive more than 4 years (arguably 2 years.)


The big kicker isn't even immigration to the US- it is migration within the country. Move a half million votes around in any recent election (except 2008) and you could have flipped the outcomes. And the Senate races in each of the last 5 Presidential have often seen the party winning control flip some seats with several razor thin victories.
Excellent post, you actually know what you're talking about. Both parties have suffered huge blows but didn't die out.
 
Old 02-20-2017, 12:56 PM
 
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That Republicans "won the battle but lost the war"


That Democrats are favored in the future



True or false?
I remember lots of threads claiming that in 2008. These things go in cycles.

The only people that don't get it are either young and don't know what occurred in the past or too partisan to look at anything objectively.

So as a student of history anyone saying this about either party is wrong and the answer is false.

I'm guessing this is some sort of feel good thread but other than Obama's re-election in 2012 the republicans have been winning pretty much everything else the past 8 years....no doubt it will soon be the democrats winning again like they did in 2008.
 
Old 02-20-2017, 01:03 PM
 
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Originally Posted by dashrendar4454 View Post
That Republicans "won the battle but lost the war"

That Democrats are favored in the future

True or false?


There's no knowing, but my guess is, in the short term, Republicans are going to lose, bigly. It's possible that the party itself could disintegrate. The real mystery is, how, out of so many Republicans in the country, they couldn't find a few smart, sensible, relatively honest, experienced people who could lead the pack. It seemed like toward the end, pretty much everyone was a bad choice - Cruz, Rubio, Fiorina, Carson...
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