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I understand I'm talking to a collectivist but why in the world would it matter what DNA showed you to be from your last several generations?
I'm only a certain percentage Black but I'm darker than many overwhelmingly Black people.
What does that "do for me?"
I will admit a fun DNA battle between you and I would provide loads of entertainment if it showed you are "whiter" than me.
Damn I'd love that.
LOL on the collectivist thing.
You hold a lot of grudges on a forum BTW in regards to "battles" and such. Get in a few online conversations with a libertarian and they get really hot and bothered I guess.
I'm just a person who is very interested in history, have been since I was a child. I find that you can learn lessons from historical persons and incidents. That interest lead me into genealogy which made me much more interested in history and how decisions/activities in the past still affect us in the future - even the decisions of our recent ancestors who I feel are more important in the American story versus the more famous Americans that we are taught about.
On DNA battles, not sure what the point would be. We are all humans and are over 95% genetically, via our DNA the same.
It's just cool to me to see how much of a "melting pot" we are as a nation. But like I said, I've never taken a DNA test. Have you?
And I know a lot of half black/half white people, including some of my cousins who are darker than me but half white. Obama is darker than me. He is even darker than my dad! My mom is very very dark skinned though. IMO skin color is not indicative of the race identity of one's ancestors. One of my identified white great grandparents is the grandparent of my mother, yet she is dark like Wesley Snipes and is probably "more white" than my dad based on the research I've done on her family.
In 2017; most of us "whities" don't even care if we're part "Black", some of us think it's funny and, make jokes about our own heritage.
I don't even pay that much attention to race anymore these days. Maybe because So Cal is so diversified, it just doesn't really enter my radar. I couldn't care less if I have black ancestry.
I think people put too much stock in that sorta thing anyways, whatever it happens to be, so many people are so proud of say their Irish lineage or whatever. None of it really matters at the end of the day....
You hold a lot of grudges on a forum BTW in regards to "battles" and such. Get in a few online conversations with a libertarian and they get really hot and bothered I guess.
I'm just a person who is very interested in history, have been since I was a child. I find that you can learn lessons from historical persons and incidents. That interest lead me into genealogy which made me much more interested in history and how decisions/activities in the past still affect us in the future - even the decisions of our recent ancestors who I feel are more important in the American story versus the more famous Americans that we are taught about.
On DNA battles, not sure what the point would be. We are all humans and are over 95% genetically, via our DNA the same.
It's just cool to me to see how much of a "melting pot" we are as a nation. But like I said, I've never taken a DNA test. Have you?
And I know a lot of half black/half white people, including some of my cousins who are darker than me but half white. Obama is darker than me. He is even darker than my dad! My mom is very very dark skinned though. IMO skin color is not indicative of the race identity of one's ancestors. One of my identified white great grandparents is the grandparent of my mother, yet she is dark like Wesley Snipes and is probably "more white" than my dad based on the research I've done on her family.
Well, Obama is a true African American - 100% European white on one side and 100% Kenyan African on the other. Of course he will be darker and even more African than many African Americans here for generations.
LOL so you believe some random dude in Kentucky named Texas over someone who researched the processes/procedures of Ellis Island lol!
That is hilarious and I hope it was sarcastic!
It's not sarcastic. Yes, I believe the person that experienced it as a young teen over some guy looking through records almost a century after the fact. For those of us who are older and met in person people who said this happen to them, it's a little hard to imagine that they all got together and lied. Remember this was prior to mass communication on the internet and not all those telling those stories were literate anyway, so it is not like they read it somewhere and adopted it as their new truth. They only were telling their story, as they experienced it. That is generally considered in social science primary evidence.
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The author of the article did an ancestry test with her DNA. Contrary to the claim by word of mouth that she was part native American, she is 31% white and 0.6% Native American.
Of all the emotions which materialized from the results, the two strongest were disorient and shame. I thought the results would simply confirm what I was told by my family; instead they discredited their allegations.
This has apparently turned her world upside down for now.
It’s as if I’ve obscured the one thing which has guided me since I was nine years old… my heritage. Even back then I believed in Black power, creating drawings in art class titled “A Strong Black Nationâ€, featuring black construction paper hands reaching for the sky. Along with being a millennial and being a woman, being Black enlivens me. I’m personally and professionally compelled to clarify misconceptions and elevate all three of my squads. As inappropriate (but honest) as it sounds, I’d discovered I had the so-called “superior†race running through my veins, and never before had I felt so inferior.
She ends the article well claiming that the world is a melting pot, and it is better because of it.
While I’m no Rachel Dolezal, I must accept the fact I do have White ancestors. It’s nothing to be ashamed of, but quite honestly, the road to acceptance will not be an easy one for me to travel.
I appreciate the honest assessment of her plight. I guess this is where a lifestyle based on identity has failed her, because her identity isn't what she thought it was.
To me, it's much easier to take people as individuals. There are good and not-so-good people in all races.
So only 2/3 of her would qualify for Affirmative Action programs then!!
Well, Obama is a true African American - 100% European white on one side and 100% Kenyan African on the other. Of course he will be darker and even more African than many African Americans here for generations.
Heritable traits are funny like that.
I have cousins who are half Nigerian/half black American and Obama is darker than them! Their dad and Obama's dad even look the same skin color. My aunt is the same as me - not white, just basic light brown black person. One of her son's has blond hair and is very light skinned (we have one person in each generation who is blond) and his face looks exactly like his dad! So he is basically a light skinned African IMO. The other child looks like her and me, same color and everything. So it's just how the DNA dice roll when it comes to skin color.
It's not sarcastic. Yes, I believe the person that experienced it as a young teen over some guy looking through records almost a century after the fact. For those of us who are older and met in person people who said this happen to them, it's a little hard to imagine that they all got together and lied. Remember this was prior to mass communication on the internet and not all those telling those stories were literate anyway, so it is not like they read it somewhere and adopted it as their new truth. They only were telling their story, as they experienced it. That is generally considered in social science primary evidence.
There was a process that was followed at Ellis Island. Read the information I posted. They just verified passengers based on the ship manifest that was provided to them. They didn't change anyone's names. The person you know more than likely changed their own name because they wanted to for various reasons. Many immigrants changed their names. It was not hard to do back then as there was no paperwork that was linked to you from birth like we have today. They could easily just go to a new town and say their name was something else.
Also, my great grandparents (except one) told me a lot of stuff about our family that I found via various records, including censuses, vital statistics, and newspaper articles, even books, that weren't true at all. Like that they were Indian and had visited a reservation in OK mentioned earlier in the thread. We have no family at all, not even in-laws (I research everyone who married into my family now that I've exhausted most of the blood relations) were from OK. So my great grandmother lied to me! I don't put it by people to lie. All people lie IMO.
I have cousins who are half Nigerian/half black American and Obama is darker than them! Their dad and Obama's dad even look the same skin color. My aunt is the same as me - not white, just basic light brown black person. One of her son's has blond hair and is very light skinned (we have one person in each generation who is blond) and his face looks exactly like his dad! So he is basically a light skinned African IMO. The other child looks like her and me, same color and everything. So it's just how the DNA dice roll when it comes to skin color.
I always thought there are varying degrees of skin tone amongst the different tribes in Africa. And I know I saw some black people who had blue eyes and blonde hair (Melanesians of the Solomon Islands).
That's a very striking look isn't it? Beautiful!
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