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Old 03-17-2017, 03:45 PM
 
Location: S.E. US
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Originally Posted by DC at the Ridge View Post
What a pathetic whine.

Did Trump associates and people working on Trump's campaign have contacts with Russia during the campaign? YES

Did Russian hackers attempt to influence the Presidential campaign? YES

Did the Trump campaign collude with Russian hackers? Numerous investigations say NO

Who else hacked?

Did Obama's Feds try to hack Indiana's electoral system? YES

DHS officials tried to hack Indiana’s state electoral system with at least 14,800 “scans” or hits during pre-election season

Read more: DHS Tried to Hack Indiana's Election System | The Daily Caller

The attacks are the second confirmed IT scanning assault by DHS officials against states that resisted then-President Barack Obama’s attempt to increase federal involvement in state and local election systems.

Is anyone wondering why the Feds, under Obama, would try so hard to hack a state's electoral system?
And during election time, too.

 
Old 03-17-2017, 03:48 PM
 
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Pathetic? Holy cow. Do you want to revisit the Obama-lies? People DIED and he tried to cover it up for political purposes? That's pathetic.
"Obama did it too," and "What about Clinton?" are silly answers.

Hardly anyone responds to them any more.
 
Old 03-17-2017, 03:59 PM
 
Location: S.E. US
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Originally Posted by GotHereQuickAsICould View Post
"Obama did it too," and "What about Clinton?" are silly answers.

Hardly anyone responds to them any more.
There's a reason.
 
Old 03-17-2017, 04:02 PM
 
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Originally Posted by DC at the Ridge View Post
What a pathetic whine.

Did Trump associates and people working on Trump's campaign have contacts with Russia during the campaign? YES

Did Russian hackers attempt to influence the Presidential campaign? YES

Did the Trump campaign collude with Russian hackers? Numerous investigations say NO
I would say that the jury is still out on #3---
They have called NO witnesses
Have gotten no one under oath including Roger Stone with his oh-so-covenient initial conversations with hackers so that he knew what was coming from WiKiLeaks---

And Likely haven't gotten through all the IT info---
I saw someone on HRC's campaign staff who said the Russians had made a dump of hacked info prior to giving it to WikiLeaks--and it was "exposed" on a fairly unknown website--just posted w/o any much done w/it...
Like people pulling out all their Christmas decorations for the outside, the inside and the tree and just dumping them in the front yard where passerbys could see all of it walking by or driving by
but there was no attempt to actually "decorate" with it...
Like people from another culture who had no clue what to do with what they had...

So I think tracing all the ins and outs of the hacking and the contacts is still very much in the air---

Christopher Steele who put the dossier together initially for private sources and then turned it over to the FBI was not even on the intial list to go before any of the committees....

From what I have read about Trump's business dealings in books that were written about him before he ran for president this time---he has a long, complex, and tawdry history of back door dealings with criminals from various backgrounds--so there is dirt there...
Just depends on how hard they want to dig...

And let's not forget that this could have come out during the election because Obama and the Intelligence Community certainly had certain aspects of it---but MITCH MCCONNELL threatened to smear Obama and the Democrates with "partisan politics" lable for tell in the truth---and Obama backed off---
Probably because he thought enough would leak out and work against Trump but the news media was more intent on the WikiLeaks stolen info with inter-office gossip from the DNC and Podesta's emails than the fact that Assange and WikiLeaks enabled the Russians to interfere with the US election...

And they didn't do it to just the presidential election---
They hacked and smeared other elections and only cared to hamper the Democratic candidates--
And frankly from what I have read--some of those propaganda efforts were overtly more successful than for the presidential campaign...
 
Old 03-17-2017, 04:06 PM
 
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Fingers crossed that McMaster and Mattis can keep things sane on the nuclear front while Trump lurches from one disaster to the next.
I don't know if this administration cares to keep things sane on the nuclear front--
Tillerson made some very strong comments about North Korea that were way more overt than anything said before AND he disdained to have any meetings...
Now the mandate for the State Dept is that it attempts to diffuse tensions, create channels of communications, and REASON with countries rather than declare war on them---
That role belongs to Congress and the President...
 
Old 03-17-2017, 04:15 PM
 
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The key words are Trump and political. All else is noise. Investigations (involving British input, including wiretaps or electronic surveillance) MAY be ongoing but that's NOT want Trump originally tweeted.

Trump's charges may plausibly and/or accurately be denied as long as Trump is not the target with the political intent to undermine the election.

And so far everyone (including the WH) agrees to Trump not being an investigative subject.

Is there still an open door for Trump to get dragged into any investigation that involves the former associates if it links up to Russian interference with the election? Sure. If that happens, will he scream Obama and politics? Absolutely. He started it with the tweet storm.

But (to be circular) THAT's being denied - most definitely yesterday by the Senate Intelligence Committee. (The Nunes language was less definitive, more open ended.)

Next up - the FBI on Monday. Maybe they will finally be clear about any underlying investigations.

Trump's trying to confuse those with his original charge - but so far Congress isn't letting him off the hook.
The problem is that anyone who has seen Trump operate during the primaries and campaign knows that the only time Trump REALLY gets mad and defensive is when HE is personally attacked or when he perceives he is threatened....
He doens't give a flip about any of the people who are his surrogates or in his Cabinet--not really---and he certainly does not give a damn about the American people...
Narcissists only care about themselves....

I guarantee Trump KNOWS he is complicit in this Russian conversation---
Just like he KNOWS his election was won with the interference of the Russians hacking the DNC and others
Just as he KNOWS he has done illegal activities like money laundering and now violating the emolument clause of the Constitution...

Trump WANTS to create as much havoc and destruction as he can---
Bannon has promised him that he can RULE America if he follows Bannon's plan to create dissention and distrust of the press and the judiciary system, works to dismantle the State Dept and break America away from NATO and other alliances...to dismantle the democratic checks and balances that our country was built on...

Trump is doing all he can to create this much distrust, dissention, and havoc and he has no intention to stop
 
Old 03-17-2017, 04:25 PM
 
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Originally Posted by DC at the Ridge View Post
What a pathetic whine.

Did Trump associates and people working on Trump's campaign have contacts with Russia during the campaign? YES

Did Russian hackers attempt to influence the Presidential campaign? YES

Did the Trump campaign collude with Russian hackers? Numerous investigations say NO
I noticed you slipped the big lie about Russian hackers in there. Even one of your own knows that's not true. Who Hacked the DNC?
 
Old 03-17-2017, 04:34 PM
 
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I guarantee Trump KNOWS he is complicit in this Russian conversation---
Just like he KNOWS his election was won with the interference of the Russians hacking the DNC and others
Just as he KNOWS he has done illegal activities like money laundering and now violating the emolument clause of the Constitution...
Guarantee? Who are you kidding, you guarantee squat. The Russian Fairy tale is a big, fat lie spread by Democrats and the MSM. All you're doing is spreading the lie. Even your leaders know it's a lie https://theintercept.com/2017/03/16/...sia-collusion/

You folks have let your hatred for Trump make you totally hysterical. I blame all of you for this madness.

Worse, you keep spreading the big lie.
 
Old 03-17-2017, 06:20 PM
 
Location: The State Of California
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Let's wait until the investigation in Congress is completed.
 
Old 03-17-2017, 06:33 PM
 
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Originally Posted by Grizzmeister View Post
Fox News throws Trump under the bus.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Uuk7Hkzf8c
Good. Fox has one SANE analyst.
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