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There is a lot of corruption in Washington, and Hillary Clinton is/was right in the middle of it.
Liberals have complained for nearly ten years that Wall Street executives should have gone to jail for their corrupt, greedy, and reckless behavior that led to the great recession/financial crisis, whether they broke the laws on the books or not, because of all the suffering they caused.
But it's okay if the same Wall Street executives hold key Cabinet positions?
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By this logic, shouldn't we throw corrupt government officials in prison, even if we can't prove they broke any laws, if their acts could be considered selfish and reckless, and if they placed Americans lives and well-being at risk?
Please tell me what Hillary Clinton was convicted of and the charge. All I saw were hearings, investigations and 11 hours of grilling..not even an indictment. So I guess you're saying if you think someone is corrupt, that means she should go to prison, just because you don't like her?
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Do you know how hard I would have laughed if Hillary Clinton went to prison? I can still picture it in my head, her walking through a prison hallway, shackled at the feet and hands, in an orange jumpsuit.
Well, this speaks volumes and answered the above question for me. Sad.
I agree, a lot of people can't be completely and thoroughly open and honest and do a little internal housekeeping. Sad, but it is what it is, apparently.
I have much respect for people that can take a bit of self analysis, understand where they are going wrong and move forward. So many people stubbornly dig in deeper and harder when confronted with something that may be wrong.
Humans suck. LOL, j/k, well, sorta.
Humans don't suck. The education they received does. Civics is no longer being taught for the most part and the media doesn't encourage any sort of meaningful discourse, and neither do our politicians. The end result is people who cannot have a rational discussion. We're detached from politics in a valuable way, so that for those who do bother to give a damn, they get personally attached in a way that isn't natural. Thus, when someone makes a negative comment about Hillary Clinton or Donald Trump, someone who is not Trump or Clinton takes it as a personal assault, which is ridiculous.
I was a Bernie Sanders supporter. I still believe in his message. I could easily rattle of criticisms I have of him. For those who support Clinton or Trump who cannot do the same thing, I have no respect for those people. That's a stupid way to do politics. Stupid and destructive.
That is absolutely not the main reason we're divided.
I don't know if it is the "main reason", but it is a major cause.
Its called "class warfare", and its how democracies function. Turning groups against each other for votes.
A class is an identifiable group. Classes can be economic classes(IE capitalists/workers). And classes can also be based on gender, race, religion, culture, ancestry, and other things(sexual orientation, disability, etc).
In a homogeneous society, democracy tends to produce a battles between economic classes. Which is why homogeneous societies tend to be more socialist.
But in diverse societies, democracy tends to turn religious/ethnic/cultural/racial groups against each other. And this distraction actually minimizes the struggle between the economic classes.
As I often say, when I first came to this forum, I was a liberal/socialist. And one of the first realizations I had about politics, was that what actually prevents America from being more socialist than it is, is the fact that people don't trust each other.
After that realization, I basically switched from being a liberal to a white-nationalist practically overnight. Then I realized that White-Nationalists were obnoxious and delusional. Now I'm more of a "Neotribalist".
Humans don't suck. The education they received does. Civics is no longer being taught for the most part and the media doesn't encourage any sort of meaningful discourse, and neither do our politicians. The end result is people who cannot have a rational discussion. We're detached from politics in a valuable way, so that for those who do bother to give a damn, they get personally attached in a way that isn't natural. Thus, when someone makes a negative comment about Hillary Clinton or Donald Trump, someone who is not Trump or Clinton takes it as a personal assault, which is ridiculous.
I was a Bernie Sanders supporter. I still believe in his message. I could easily rattle of criticisms I have of him. For those who support Clinton or Trump who cannot do the same thing, I have no respect for those people. That's a stupid way to do politics. Stupid and destructive.
If'ing I was a Bernie supporter I would have been livid at how the DNC treated him. He took it like a punk ass, I'm really surprised he didn't make more of a fuss about it, he rightly should have and would have been supported for doing it. I guess he took one up the dumper for the team as the saying goes
I have been calling for a "French Revolution on Wall Street" for a few years now. If you read the posts, you would understand exactly what I mean.
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Please tell me what Hillary Clinton was convicted of and the charge. All I saw were hearings, investigations and 11 hours of grilling..not even an indictment. So I guess you're saying if you think someone is corrupt, that means she should go to prison, just because you don't like her? Well, this speaks volumes and answered the above question for me. Sad.
Let me repeat what I said...
"By this logic, shouldn't we throw corrupt government officials in prison, even if we can't prove they broke any laws, if their acts could be considered selfish and reckless, and if they placed Americans lives and well-being at risk?"
I never said she broke a law. I said that, the logic the liberals used to demand that Wall Street execs go to jail, could be used to demand that Hilary Clinton went to jail. Her selfish and reckless behavior placed American lives and well-being at risk. It was tantamount to treason.
Though, she would hardly be the only one. George Bush would be sitting in the cell next to her.
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The Oath Keeper screaming about the "liberal genocide" needs no context. Say whatever else you want to about rawstory, the journalist, or who or whatever -- but that "liberal genocide" part is "safely" taken in its plain meaning.
I have been calling for a "French Revolution on Wall Street" for a few years now. If you read the posts, you would understand exactly what I mean.
That was a little too bloody for me. However, I used to be able to recite the first page in "A Tale of Two Cities." When you look at what Dickens wrote in 1859, you can apply every word to today. For some it is the best of times and for many it is the worst.
Its probably a bit too bloody for me as well. But as I said, thinking of all these rich and powerful people, such as the bankers, sitting in shackles, led off to prison, or led off to the gallows, does bring a shameful smile to my face.
"In Rousseau's philosophy, society's negative influence on men centers on its transformation of amour de soi, a positive self-love, into amour-propre, or pride. Amour de soi represents the instinctive human desire for self-preservation, combined with the human power of reason. In contrast, amour-propre is artificial and encourages man to compare himself to others, thus creating unwarranted fear and allowing men to take pleasure in the pain or weakness of others."
The fact that these terrible men, have driven me to the point that I can feel pleasure in their suffering, is a testament to the severity of their crimes.
One of my favorite quotes is from Lysander Spooner...
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"The Rothschilds, and that class of money-lenders of whom they are the representatives and agents – men who never think of lending a shilling to their next-door neighbors, for purposes of honest industry, unless upon the most ample security, and at the highest rate of interest – stand ready at all times to lend money in unlimited amounts to those robbers and murderers, who call themselves governments, to be expended in shooting down those who do not submit quietly to being robbed and enslaved.
And why are these men so ready to lend money for murdering their fellow men? Solely for this reason, that such loans are considered better investments than loans for purposes of honest industry. They pay higher rates of interest; and it is less trouble to look after them.
When these great lenders of blood-money, have loaned vast sums in this way, for purposes of murder, to an emperor or a king, they sell out the bonds taken by them, to anybody, and everybody, who are disposed to buy them at satisfactory prices, to hold as investments. They thus soon get back their money, with great profits; and are now ready to lend money in the same way again to any other robber and murderer, called an emperor or king, who, they think, is likely to be successful in his robberies and murders, and able to pay a good price for the money necessary to carry them on.
This business of lending blood-money is one of the most thoroughly sordid, cold-blooded, and criminal that was ever carried on, to any considerable extent, amongst human beings. It is like lending money to slave traders, or to common robbers and pirates, to be repaid out of their plunder. And the men who loan money to governments, so called, for the purpose of enabling the latter to rob, enslave, and murder their people, are among the greatest villains that the world has ever seen. And they as much deserve to be hunted and killed (if they cannot otherwise be got rid of) as any slave traders, robbers, or pirates that ever lived."
IMO a decade or so of daily anti government sentiment pumped into the people by the likes of Limbaugh/Beck/Jones/Levin/FOX have brainwashed a large demographic of American society into hating everything ,now you have an irreparably divided country where neighbor hates neighbor merely for ones political stance or having a different view of how we achieve happiness.,Its plain to anyone that liberals are now being painted as enemies of the state Is this to be the basis of the new great America where half the population is viewed as an enemy?
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Is this to be the basis of the new great America where half the population is viewed as an enemy?
