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Old 03-17-2017, 09:58 AM
 
Location: Washington, DC
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Uh. Small detail. He is NOT the first no dog president.
You know that facts don't matter to some of these people.
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Old 03-17-2017, 09:59 AM
 
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ysrN2BddUVw

I'm ...not even kidding. He beats animals all the time...because he doesn't own a dog.

This is an actual quote at the girl in the blue shirt at around 2:00 in....

"He's the first President in 145 years to not have a dog companion... Human rights are animal rights because humans are animals. So if you fight for human rights, but don't fight for animal rights, then you're being a speciesist...and that's just a fact of the matter"

Guys...you are making us liberals look INSANE!
So much wrong here, who even knows where to start.
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Old 03-17-2017, 10:01 AM
 
Location: Long Island
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Isn't that Spicer's position?
Ha!
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Old 03-17-2017, 10:02 AM
 
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ysrN2BddUVw

I'm ...not even kidding. He beats animals all the time...because he doesn't own a dog.

This is an actual quote at the girl in the blue shirt at around 2:00 in....

"He's the first President in 145 years to not have a dog companion... Human rights are animal rights because humans are animals. So if you fight for human rights, but don't fight for animal rights, then you're being a speciesist...and that's just a fact of the matter"

Guys...you are making us liberals look INSANE!
Lol they won't rest until they free all the animals, but want him to OWN a dog

Please sterilize.
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Old 03-17-2017, 10:04 AM
 
Location: Great Britain
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You don't just get a dog for the sake of it, you have to think will I be able to look after it properly.

Trump's busy life style, the fact he used to live in a Tower in NYC and the fact he travels a lot mean that he wouldn't be there a lot of the time.

As for 'Speciesism' - and lots of other isms they are usually bandied about by people who don't live in the real world.

The nearest most people get to 'Speciesism' is deciding whether to get a burger or have the fried chicken.
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Old 03-17-2017, 10:05 AM
 
Location: By the sea, by the sea, by the beautiful sea
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You know that facts don't matter to some of these people.
Including the no-dog POTUS!
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Old 03-17-2017, 10:11 AM
 
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Nixon abused his dog "Checkers".

See at 53 seconds in.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=33ALTtt4SIY

Not to mention LBJ abusing HIS dog.

Lyndon Johnson Lifts Dog by Ears - HISTORY.com Audio
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Old 03-17-2017, 10:31 AM
 
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Animal Rights Protest Trump in LA Because...He Doesn't Own a Dog

They should be grateful, a dog (or anything else) that competed for attention would likely not fare well around Trump.
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Yes, I'm personally glad there's no WH pet.


I have heard animal rights groups come out against him for other reasons:

1) He was a big supporter of the circus elephants and tweeted angrily when Ringling Bros. said they were taking them out of their shows
2) His sons like to shoot trophy animals

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/...ls-everywhere/

Seems like the same argument that the insane kooks are making.

We knew that you guys weren't actually different from them.
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Old 03-17-2017, 10:34 AM
 
Location: Washington, DC
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You don't just get a dog for the sake of it, you have to think will I be able to look after it properly.

Trump's busy life style, the fact he used to live in a Tower in NYC and the fact he travels a lot mean that he wouldn't be there a lot of the time.

As for 'Speciesism' - and lots of other isms they are usually bandied about by people who don't live in the real world.

The nearest most people get to 'Speciesism' is deciding whether to get a burger or have the fried chicken.
I'm pretty sure that it's going to be a thing soon, actually.

"You like black cats over white dogs! You're a racist specieist!!!!"

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Old 03-17-2017, 11:04 AM
 
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The Office of the President has always been an institution that has conferred outsized power to upstarts. Thus, the office of POTUS has strong and unique implications for the American Class system.

Referencing Professor Paul Fussell's landmark book Class: A Guide through the American Status System:

Dogs are a class signal, usually of the upper class. This is because dogs are inefficient animals to take care of; a fact that implies extra time, money, land, and perhaps staff assistance in taking care of them (more dogs = stronger class signal). In other words, dogs imply greater resources. The breed also matters, with hunting dogs implying higher class, and protection dogs implying relatively lower class.

However, there are fairly strong social rules for class signalling that prevent people from class signalling above their station. To wit, the intent of acquiring class through acquisition of class signals is considered to be vulgar, and actually often lowers your perceived class.

Presidents often come from the working or middle class. Thus, an acquisition of a dog, merely because they become president, seems like a vulgar class signal in an attempt to signal a higher station than they are.

Thus, such an acquisition could very well lower their class further. Class is about tastes, values, and inheritance. You cannot change your class, even in becoming president, and certainly not through acquisition of class signals once president.

Trump inherited much of his money, which is a positive class signal.

He's always been wealthy, but has also worked hard in business to increase that wealth.

This means that, due to the inheritance factor, he is likely upper class; but not of the very top class that never has the desire to work in any true capacity.

Though, he certainly leans to vulgar signalling with his penchant for gold and name recognition. I'd still give him the upper class edge, but he certainly has some upper-middle proclivities.

For anyone paying attention, Trump often counter-signals against class signals (in his social and dietary habits), which is ironically an upper class thing to do (for example: the upper class are more likely to drive older and dirtier cars, with the upper-middles and middles more attracted to new luxury cars; the upper class is more likely to dress stylishly down rather than up when traveling, etc).

Trump is likely solidly upper class, or at least feels like he is and thus often behaves as such, and thus Trump has no class insecurity and thus no need to signal his upper class status in the acquisition of a dog upon entering the WH.

Trump lived in NYC, which makes dogs rather impractical even for the upper class.

An upper class person coming from other areas would have been likely to already own one or several dogs, and thus there would have been no acquisition of a dog when becoming POTUS.

For me, anyone coming from an excessively low status, such as Obama did, would do himself a disservice in the immediate acquisition of a class signal such as a dog upon inauguration.

I know that all of this seems silly and overthought, but I highly recommend that aforementioned book. It is the current reference on the subject. Fussell is hilarious, and you will learn a lot.
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