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Old 03-18-2017, 07:06 AM
 
Location: Just over the horizon
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Not sure why people have a problem with this this term, as if it's not a valid concept.

All "alternative facts" means is when someone, either purposely or inadvertently cherry picks bits and pieces of information to tell a story, that, when viewed in a different way with all the facts, (or differently picked ones) may tell a very different story.

A simple example of how alternative facts manifest themselves in daily life might be when an accident, robbery or other event is witnessed by several different people from different angles, distances and levels of distraction, or attitudes about the event.

Each separate person may tell a different version of the event that they witnessed, without knowing or seeing the things from a different perspective.

But what's worse is when that perspective is purposely biased and the event is decribed with cherry picked information in a way that supports that bias and only that bias.

"Alternative facts" are simply the manifestation of our biased perspective.
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Old 03-18-2017, 07:26 AM
 
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Because there are already words for it, try looking up lies and falsehoods.... Americans like our words 2 syllables or less.
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Old 03-18-2017, 07:27 AM
 
Location: My beloved Bluegrass
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Exactly, but it is such an easy sound bite to manipulate and spin.
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Old 03-18-2017, 07:29 AM
 
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A lie is a lie = alternative facts.
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Old 03-18-2017, 07:32 AM
 
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Because there are already words for it, try looking up lies and falsehoods.... Americans like our words 2 syllables or less.
The entire concept of alternative facts is based on the premise that what is being said is neither a lie nor a falsehood, but the truth that contradicts another version of the truth because it is seen from a different perspective or analyzed a different way. I am not sure why this is such a difficult concept.
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Old 03-18-2017, 07:33 AM
 
Location: By the sea, by the sea, by the beautiful sea
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Not sure why people have a problem with this this term, as if it's not a valid concept.

All "alternative facts" means is when someone, either purposely or inadvertently cherry picks bits and pieces of information to tell a story, that, when viewed in a different way with all the facts, (or differently picked ones) may tell a very different story.

The term for facts viewed without important accompanying facts is 'out of context' 'Alternative facts' is little more than a cheesy PR sound-bite.
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Old 03-18-2017, 07:39 AM
 
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The term for facts viewed without important accompanying facts is 'out of context' 'Alternative facts' is little more than a cheesy PR sound-bite.
No. It is a legal term. From 2003:

Statements of Truth - Alternative Facts.(Clarke v Marlborough Fine Art (London) Limited and Marlborough International Fine Art Establishment)
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Old 03-18-2017, 07:44 AM
 
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The term for facts viewed without important accompanying facts is 'out of context' 'Alternative facts' is little more than a cheesy PR sound-bite.
What if, knowingly or unknowingly, you don't have all the facts?

Are you "taking something out of context" if you are simply stating the "facts" as you know them?

This is why trials are presented with multiple witnesses, so the jury can make an informed decision that's based on as much of the facts and information as possible.

The problem is that biased media, politicians and pundits today wish to make themselves both judge and jury.....jumping to conclusions with every bit of information that may or may not have any basis in reality.
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Old 03-18-2017, 07:51 AM
 
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Half truth? Truth by omission? Alternative facts, yeah, I don't care if it has a legal definition, most know it is anything but the truth.
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Old 03-18-2017, 07:51 AM
 
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What if, knowingly or unknowingly, you don't have all the facts?

Are you "taking something out of context" if you are simply stating the "facts" as you know them?

This is why trials are presented with multiple witnesses, so the jury can make an informed decision that's based on as much of the facts and information as possible.

The problem is that biased media, politicians and pundits today wish to make themselves both judge and jury.....jumping to conclusions with every bit of information that may or may not have any basis in reality.
I have to believe there are facts, beliefs, and opinions. Facts are provable and remain facts even if taken out of context. Opinions and beliefs not so much.
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