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Old 03-23-2017, 04:39 PM
 
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As has been asked every time the CBO comes out with a "prediction" "When have they EVER been right?"
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Old 03-23-2017, 04:40 PM
 
Location: FL
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I don't support it. Why? It doesn't address the issues with Obamacare.

Until they go after the AMA, the Drug Industry and most importantly the Insurance industry and stop guaranteeing profits, it doesn't work for the average working person.

The first time I agree with you.
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Old 03-23-2017, 04:43 PM
 
Location: Long Island, NY
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Haven't heard of Trumpcare. Is this something new?

Or are you referring to Ryancare which is currently being debated in the House.
That's an admission that the plan sux. Trump likes his name on everything: buildings, wine labels, steak, planes. So, if he doesn't want his name on the health bill, it must be a stickeroo and he knows it.

It's funny, the two things the GOP hates about the ACA is that it taxes the rich and helps the poor, which doesn't leave much room to "make it terrific," as Trump promised.

What's been released must be the plan he spoke about.

On February 22, 2017, Trump said,
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“So we’re doing the health care — again moving along very well — sometime during the month of March, maybe mid-to-early March, we’ll be submitting something that I think people will be very impressed by.”
It's March, so I guess it's fair to call it Trumpcare. He wouldn't lie, would he?
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Old 03-23-2017, 04:47 PM
 
Location: Long Island, NY
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As has been asked every time the CBO comes out with a "prediction" "When have they EVER been right?"
The CBO is mostly right on target -- not 100%, because they are predictions.

According to Factcheck:
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The CBO actually nailed the overall impact of the law on the uninsured pretty closely. It predicted a big drop in the percentage of people under age 65 who would lack insurance, and that turned out to be the case. CBO projected that in 2016 that nonelderly rate would fall to 11 percent, and the latest figure put the actual rate at 10.3 percent.
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Old 03-23-2017, 04:53 PM
 
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I agree, we haven't seen Trumpcare yet.

We'll know it when we see it, because it will be cheaper, it will cover everyone, and the government will pay for it. Trump said so.

Ryan's AHCA clearly isn't it. So I guess Trump is easily confused.
Say what? This is the most DAFT thing I've ever heard. If Trump has such a great plan, why is he pushing the AHCA? Why isn't he pushing his OWN plan?

This is so ABSURD, I thought it was sarcasm. Sadly it isn't.
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Old 03-23-2017, 04:53 PM
 
Location: Philadelphia
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I don't support it. Why? It doesn't address the issues with Obamacare.

Until they go after the AMA, the Drug Industry and most importantly the Insurance industry and stop guaranteeing profits, it doesn't work for the average working person.
So when is your boy going to deliver? What the hell has be doing the past two months? Why the hell is he trying to sell such a bad plan? When is he going to **** out this magical turd of a plan that keeps his promise and the GOP members of congress happy? Seems like a ****ty guy to me.
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Old 03-23-2017, 05:11 PM
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Location: Pine Grove,AL
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I don't support it. Why? It doesn't address the issues with Obamacare.

Until they go after the AMA, the Drug Industry and most importantly the Insurance industry and stop guaranteeing profits, it doesn't work for the average working person.
But doesnt that go against everything Conservatives say they support ????
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Old 03-23-2017, 05:41 PM
 
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The CBO is mostly right on target -- not 100%, because they are predictions.

According to Factcheck:
Obviously you do NOT know that fatcheck has been PROVEN to NOT be a reliable source for fact checking.

I mean who would think a "Fact checker at a liberal Pennsylvanian University with liberal university students would be biased.

"FactCheck.org is a nonprofit[2] website that describes itself as a non-partisan[3] "consumer advocate for voters that aims to reduce the level of deception and confusion in U.S. politics".[4] It is a project of the Annenberg Public Policy Center of the Annenberg School for Communication at the University of Pennsylvania, and is funded primarily by the Annenberg Foundation""

So, lets look at CBO's record for Obamacare.

"in 2014, Obamacare met the CBO’s original goal from 2010, as well as the average forecast, with 8 million enrollments. This was truly a red-letter year for the ACA, demonstrating that there was strong demand for the exchange policies. After 2014, however, the demand has leveled off. In 2015, there were 11.7 million enrollments, far fewer than the CBO’s average forecast of 13.25 million. From 2010 through 2015, CBO consistently predicted that enrollments would spike up in 2016, with 20– 24 million enrollments. For example, in its February 2014 report, CBO wrote that “more people are expected to respond to the new coverage options, so enrollment is projected to increase sharply in 2015 and 2016.” The surge never happened. In March 2016, CBO drastically downgraded its forecast by half to 10 million enrollees. As of July 2016, there have been 12.7 million confirmed enrollees on the exchange – beating the revised 10 million figure, but falling significantly short of the expected 20 million. Brian Blase, of the free-market Mercatus Center, observed that the “magnitude of how wrong the initial predictions appear to be should cause legislators and the public to approach future estimates of the impact of major legislation cautiously.” 31 Contrary to the forecasts, he wrote, “people [found] exchange plans so much less attractive than experts assumed when the law was passed,” and even after two years of the marketplace being open. The ACA’s expansion of coverage to 20 million Americans is still far short of even its most conservative estimate of more than 30 million Americans gaining coverage.
As weak as these enrollment numbers are, the actual numbers of customers who continued to pay their policies for nine consecutive months is even lower. In 2014, only 6.7 million out of 8 million enrollees paid their premiums through September. 32 This 19% drop-off puts the 2014 figures well below the CBO forecasts. In 2015, only 9.3 million out of the 11.7 million paid their premiums through September. 33 More than 25% of enrollees failed to consistently pay their bills. In 2016, only 11.1 million out of 12.7 million paid their premiums through March, with an expected 10 million to continue paying through September. 34 Factoring in customers who actually continue to pay for coverage, the state and federal risk pools are barely at 50% of their anticipated size."

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http://joshblackman.com/blog/2017/03...are-forecasts/





https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FactCheck.org


"The Annenberg Public Policy Center (APPC) is a center for the study of public policy at the Annenberg School for Communication at the University of Pennsylvania.[1] It has offices in Washington, D.C. and Philadelphia, where the University of Pennsylvania is located."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Annenb..._Policy_Center

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Old 03-23-2017, 05:54 PM
 
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So when is your boy going to deliver? What the hell has be doing the past two months? Why the hell is he trying to sell such a bad plan? When is he going to **** out this magical turd of a plan that keeps his promise and the GOP members of congress happy? Seems like a ****ty guy to me.
Don't blame anybody but yourself if you hand to ask these questions.
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Old 03-23-2017, 06:13 PM
 
Location: Philadelphia
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Don't blame anybody but yourself if you hand to ask these questions.
Brilliant and enlightening response. Donny boy is full of **** until he proves otherwise. Right now we either have a bad deal or no deal. Holla when he poops that magical turd. Until then he's Liar-In-Chief v2.0 peddling Obamacare v2.0.
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