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I always hear people say they don't want single-payer healthcare because their taxes would go up. Does anyone have any stats on how much they would go up?
I always try to analyze any "deal" in the context of the alternatives. Right now, most of us are paying well in excess of $10k/year for our premiums. Even those of us who get it from work, the premium is subsidized by your employer, and that is money that would be available for salary, so you have to look at contributions of the employee and employer. Some are closer to $20k in premiums for a decent plan.
Then, if someone gets sick at all, you are looking at thousands per year more in copays, deductables, and other out of pocket expenses. My GF had one trip to the Emergency Room because her doctor told her she was having Pancreitis. It turned out to be a mild ulcer, and with good insurance, it is costing her $2800 (and rising), not to include the follow-up visit to the specialist.
So, I guess my question is: How much would taxes have to increase to afford single-payer (SP)? I read one study that was very ANTI-SP, and they said California was considering doing it at the state level, and it would cause a 4% increase in taxes. They felt that was pretty awful! As I look at today's reality, 4% of my total take-home salary would be a huge savings, even if I never used it.
Also, with insurance companies being so bad about denying coverage on everything ("death-squads"), and mandating which doctor you can, or cannot see. With them being so non-transparent with billing, and with them creating a bureaucracy where you get multiple bills from one visit (GF got 4 or five so far from the above example, may not be done yet), I would have to invoke President Trump's famous question he posed to "the blacks". What have we got to loose?
I obviously have a bias to what I think is the best solution. I'm not trying to veil or hide that. I would appreciate some intelligent responses either for or against single-payer systems AND other options. It would be nice if people stuck to ideas or facts, and left the name-calling and the alarmism on the sideline.
There are all kinds of reasons why a single payer system would work very well. But do you really think that the health care giants and the insurance conglomerates will ever let that happen, as least while there is a dime left in the IRAs and 401Ks of the Baby Boomers? They own Congress lock, stock and barrel. They are going to keep fleecing us until we are dead - and maybe beyond the grave if they can get by with it. All the while promoting the fantasy that a "free market" will bring down the cost for all.
You said they pay $17.00 for a beer, and it was dead wrong. You are also dead wrong about the lunch price.
Stay truthful, and people will take you more seriously.
Scandanavian vs Nordic countries, it wasn't dead wrong, there was a difference in the places I was talking about and I just called it out in that last post. Don't call me a liar when I basically just said I realized we were talking about slightly different places, but places that still use the same economic model. MANY places in the NORDIC country I was in charged $8-$17 for beers with the $8 end being rare, lunches were easily $25 and gas was $8-9/gallon, there is nothing "dead wrong" about any of that.
Yup, and I don't "blame" poor people as some will be quick to say, but when we let people buy some incredibly unhealthy food like candy and soda with food stamps, it just encourages poor behavior and makes things worse.
Fat people who smoke alot die young. They are not as expensive as people claim they are. Australia and the UK have the highest obesity rates in the western world outside of America and they have the lowest health care costs of pretty much any developed country.
Fat people who smoke alot die young. They are not as expensive as people claim they are. Australia and the UK have the highest obesity rates in the western world outside of America and they have the lowest health care costs of pretty much any developed country.
Do they just sit at home and die, or do they try and find out if they can get their problems fixed?
I think most of them end up in a health care facility when they know something is wrong... you know, like normal people do...
Do they just sit at home and die, or do they try and find out if they can get their problems fixed?
I think most of them end up in a health care facility when they know something is wrong... you know, like normal people do...
Yes, and then they die. So they dont burden the health care system with their old age which is really expensive because they already died a long time ago. Its a myth that fatties are the reason we cant have a national health care system in America like the rest of the world.
I go to Europe every year, sometimes multiple times per year, and yes, the price averages around $5 per point. You are either making stuff up, or happened to be in a very expensive area.
Those who are interested can Google the pint prices.
One country that comes to mind with somewhat higher beer prices is France, but who in the world drinks beer while in France!
Its a myth that fatties are the reason we cant have a national health care system in America like the rest of the world.
Any lingering waft of doubt that I had about your sincerity or seriousness is now gone - totally gone. You are nothing but an antagonistic troll, here to incite nothing positive or good.
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