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Old 03-29-2017, 09:18 PM
 
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I just explained it to you in the post you are replying to me right now.
You really didn't. Is tony Martinez an American citizen?
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Old 03-29-2017, 09:25 PM
 
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You really didn't. Is tony Martinez an American citizen?

It appears he is from the article. "It's going to be time consuming and costly," said Tony Martinez, an attorney who is mayor of the border town of Brownsville, Texas.
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Old 03-29-2017, 09:31 PM
 
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It appears he is from the article. "It's going to be time consuming and costly," said Tony Martinez, an attorney who is mayor of the border town of Brownsville, Texas.
And he is right. Any eminent domain cases are lengthy and expensive especially when going through wealthy areas which is the point he was making. I used to live in New Jersey and the state wanted to build a highway from Newark (basically ghettos) tipo western New Jersey. This took a lot of eminent domain. The blue collar towns went rather quickly. The monied towns it took decades.
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Old 03-29-2017, 09:41 PM
 
Location: Barrington
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The partial Bush Wall contains massive gaps to accommodate special interests with political connections, a university, country clubs, ranches and HOAs.

The majority of border land is privately- owned. It will be necessary to invoke the eminent domain thing. Landowners can appeal and ties it up for years. Eventually court orders will be necessary to condemn the properties.

The Freedom Caucus at a minimum in the house opposes the wall. There are Republican Senators opposed to the Wall.

Mexico is holding firm they will not pay for it.

It's a massive cluster fudge.

About 1/3 of the US people voted for Trump and therefore there is no clear mandate. Had the outcome favored Hillary, she would be in the same boat.
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Old 03-29-2017, 09:45 PM
 
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The partial Bush Wall contains massive gaps to accommodate special interests with political connections, a university, country clubs, ranches and HOAs.

The majority of border land is privately- owned. It will be necessary to invoke the eminent domain thing. Landowners can appeal and ties it up for years. Eventually court orders will be necessary to condemn the properties.

The Freedom Caucus at a minimum in the house opposes the wall. There are Republican Senators opposed to the Wall.

Mexico is holding firm they will not pay for it.

It's a massive cluster fudge.

About 1/3 of the US people voted for Trump and therefore there is no clear mandate. Had the outcome favored Hillary, she would be in the same boat.
Yep. Eminent domain is not a skate in the park. And when you go through wealthy landowners it is that much more difficult. Decades is what it will take.
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Old 03-29-2017, 09:58 PM
 
Location: Chesapeake Bay
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And he is right. Any eminent domain cases are lengthy and expensive especially when going through wealthy areas which is the point he was making. I used to live in New Jersey and the state wanted to build a highway from Newark (basically ghettos) tipo western New Jersey. This took a lot of eminent domain. The blue collar towns went rather quickly. The monied towns it took decades.
Very true. Many years ago, I lived in NJ ln a town about 40 miles from Manhattan. NJ Power decided that they were going to put huge electric towers thru the middle of town, the historic part with some homes dated back before the Revolutionary War (my house was built in 1740).

The city fought it, called a special election to temporarily raise property taxes by $1m to pay the legal fees. The bill passed by a huge margin. The city won the case, dropped property taxes the next year.

It would take years to settle these property issues. Better believe the affected areas will do just as we did, hire the best lawyers and fight it tooth and nail. They might win too.
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Old 03-30-2017, 12:46 AM
 
Location: Ohio
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If ever there were a legitimate use for eminent domain, this is it.


I don't quite understand why landowners in that area would want their property to remain wide open and be used as a crossing point for drug and human traffickers.
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Old 03-30-2017, 07:01 AM
 
Location: New Jersey
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Walls don't work. Walls are easier to build and harder to remove in 20 years when we probably wont need it. Remember the Berlin Wall? It will become a decaying structure of our dark past.

The billions of dollars would be better spent on policy change, enforcing the immigration laws and strengthening the border patrols and systems in place now.

This is a big problem that has been ignored for too long.
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Old 03-30-2017, 07:06 AM
 
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And he is right. Any eminent domain cases are lengthy and expensive especially when going through wealthy areas which is the point he was making. I used to live in New Jersey and the state wanted to build a highway from Newark (basically ghettos) tipo western New Jersey. This took a lot of eminent domain. The blue collar towns went rather quickly. The monied towns it took decades.

I seriously doubt that was his true motive or excuse. Seen it way too many times to be convinced otherwise.
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Old 03-30-2017, 07:12 AM
 
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Walls don't work. Walls are easier to build and harder to remove in 20 years when we probably wont need it. Remember the Berlin Wall? It will become a decaying structure of our dark past.

The billions of dollars would be better spent on policy change, enforcing the immigration laws and strengthening the border patrols and systems in place now.

This is a big problem that has been ignored for too long.

Then why don't we just tear down the existing walls on the border and those around our homes and businesses since walls don't work?


Where U.S.-Mexico border fence is tall, it works


San Diego Fence Provides Lessons in Border Control : NPR
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