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Two parties consented to a contract. Party A (the passenger) violated the contract.
He clearly initiated force.
I know my stance isn't going to play well in here as I use the normal consistent and logical definitions of things.
Nor will it play well in court when United pays a hefty settlement. You keep stating something about "the contract". Please show me where it says that they can pull you from your seat AFTER boarding for no other reason than just because they now want the seat for a non-rev flyer.
The passenger didn't agree to ANY terms saying he could be bumped and must deboard the plane.
The contract of carrier United tried to weasel behind only applies to those who have NOT boarded. And even at that United didn't follow the contract, since Dao was never given a written explanation on why he was chosen and any compensation offer. He was simply told to get off via a cowardly way by United via airport rent a cops.
United has ZERO basis for any of their actions from a contractual basis. Nada. Zilch.
Why do people have to make stuff up to suit their agendas when the facts are staring at then from the computer screen?
Nor will it play well in court when United pays a hefty settlement. You keep stating something about "the contract". Please show me where it says that they can pull you from your seat AFTER boarding for no other reason than just because they now want the seat for a non-rev flyer.
I don't understand why airlines are not required to get their boarding roster FINAL before letting anyone on? I can understand adding late comers if they have openings but all this takes is a new FAA rule that all passengers have to be booked and approved before boarding. Maybe I don't understand the issue since I hardly ever fly.
I'm not surprised no one took it. Like I said huge difference between pre boarding and being on the seat ready to fly.
I'm not surprised either $800 is peanuts. It's unbelievable how some on here are defending corporate rights tooth and nail over individual rights. Totally disgusting.
I once watched a family take too long to get to the gate. The plane had loaded and the man of the family was trying to get the agent to haul people off the plane since the seats were theirs.
The agent kept patiently explaining that only if they showed up on time were those seats theirs.
After they headed off to ticketing to see what could be done to salvage things, the agents were talking about what a fiasco it would have been to have had to remove passengers.
I once watched a family take too long to get to the gate. The plane had loaded and the man of the family was trying to get the agent to haul people off the plane since the seats were theirs.
The agent kept patiently explaining that only if they showed up on time were those seats theirs.
After they headed off to ticketing to see what could be done to salvage things, the agents were talking about what a fiasco it would have been to have had to remove passengers.
Amazing story, I guess I had no clue that happens. I guess I can see the airline's POV. They have to have bodies in those seats, unless they just make late comers pay and no refunds. Imagine that outcry.
The contract says that they can be denied boarding. It does NOT say that they can be forcibly removed once boarded if the airline overbooked...or wanted to accommodate 4 of their employees.
Rule #25 in their contract. Read it. UA violated their own contract, not the passenger.
That's good info. After reading that I can def see the passenger getting a lot of money. That also makes me feel better as a flyer.
But what about him getting up and leaving then coming back? If he agreed, came back and that's when the violence occurred. Seems irrelevant as far as what the contract says.
I don't understand why airlines are not required to get their boarding roster FINAL before letting anyone on? I can understand adding late comers if they have openings but all this takes is a new FAA rule that all passengers have to be booked and approved before boarding. Maybe I don't understand the issue since I hardly ever fly.
Me either.
This made some kind of sense when all tickets were refundable, before computers and online reservations, but it makes no sense now.
And there is no excuse whatever to drag someone off who's already boarded and seated. This hardly constituted a dire emergency. ("Poor planning on your part does not make an emergency on my part.")
The contract says that they can be denied boarding. It does NOT say that they can be forcibly removed once boarded if the airline overbooked...or wanted to accommodate 4 of their employees.
Rule #25 in their contract. Read it. UA violated their own contract, not the passenger.
Interesting.
If that's the case then United was the aggressor.
USA Today had an article on all this saying the contract is 37,000 words!
United should have shown the passenger with a physical or digital copy of the contract which tenet he was being removed by as he sat in his seat. If it was sound, then United would be right.
Thanks for the clarification.
If United really wanted him off the plane they could have found something in the contract...I'm sure. Just like that article I linked talks about it's heavily favored toward the airline.
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