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All they had to do was apologize the day it all went viral, and not have spread "hit pieces" on the Dr. I mean, what the heck, they're bringing up the dudes past record from 12 years ago? What's that have to do with this situation?
Can you imagine if he would have been black?? People would be crying racism and shutting the airline down. Saying that it would never happen to a white(asian) person.
I hear that Asians endure racism as much as the Blacks. The Asians just do not complain and gives the impression that they are not discriminated.
Two years later, Dao was convicted on six felony counts of obtaining drugs by fraud and deceit and in 2005, he was sentenced to five years probation. Dao was also convicted for writing prescriptions and checks to a male patient in exchange for sexual favors.
While the lawyer speak is certainly a bit amusing, I don't agree that what is essentially a business transaction ends up with someone in the hospital is funny. Not sure which part you think is funny.
It is funny he exchanged sex for drugs. What part of that don't you understand?
Perhaps only because it proves something that you wish were not true, but are unable to disprove. Read the Contract. You don't pay for seats. You pay for passage. Everything else can be changed without notice.
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Understanding, as you put it, is not your long suit.
How do such comments add to the discussion? Why would you resort to such gutter conduct except to try to distract attention away from perspectives you don't like but cannot refute on the merits?
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Review: The airline has admitted fault and liability in that they have agreed to compensate every single passenger on that flight.
Delta has agreed to compensate passengers that suffered weather delays. I suppose by your "logic" Delta is admitting fault and liability for the weather.
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Any rudeness is due to your inability to deal with the most basic of obvious fact.
No. It's due to immaturity and an inability to accept that reasonable people disagree with you.
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I'll bet no airline tries this again ever.
Are you sure it wasn't you who said that last December? Well it was someone. Guess what... nothing changed.
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However, arriving at a solution to an overbooking is the airline's problem, and the solution is NOT what happened here. United will pay dearly for their stupidity.
You mean like Delta did? Three times? Oh wait... they didn't pay dearly. I guess it wasn't stupidity.
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United had no legal authority to remove Dao from the plane, none whatsoever
United didn't. Airport police did. And reasonable people disagree about whether failure to comply with police instructions constitutes a criminal offense or not. It's an open issue for the courts to determine, but despite the nonsense some folks spewed earlier in the thread, in the end, after all the other considerations, at a minimum, if someone tells you to leave their aircraft refusing to do so is trespassing. There's no denying that. There is no rational way to present this passengers actions as guilt-free.
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Apparently, United has a track record of treating passengers like ****.
As does Delta (including three times in the last decade with regard to bumping, specifically), American, Southwest, JetBlue, etc. Part of the problem here is that people keep blinding themselves to the real problem by fixating on their bashing of this one airline for this one incident, and their unwillingness to admit that they - themselves - are a big part of the problem by way of how their votes and their purchasing behaviors not only brought about this environment but foster it.
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Why don't you review Rule 5 of the contract of carriage and get back to me on why that may not apply in this situation.
Stop confusing the issue with facts!
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We need to get back to Consumer controlled Capitalism.
Precisely, and hiding behind self-deceptions that the corporations are doing anything wrong is not going to get us there. We need to open our eyes, and maturely recognize that this is the society we've created, this is the capitalism that we built, with our votes and our purchasing behaviors. Whining about it and try to make ourselves feel good by saying nasty things about others isn't going to help, but rather will waste the energy that might instead be used to change the laws and change the structure of the economy into your vision.
As long as most Americans are cravenly blinding themselves to the reality, there's no chance for real lasting change.
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A lot of consumers are speaking out which is how the market place works about this latest violation of capitalist principles
Just like the last time and the time before that. Corporations know all they need to do is play-act a little contrition, spread a little (very little, comparatively speaking) money around, and the sheep will go back into the pens before election day.
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Lets see if this is handled with the consumers in mind or the Corporatists in mind
Given the comments of the other posters above, what makes you think that anything will be different?
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I'll be you've never tried to deal with the airlines customer NO service or even logically reason with them.
What makes you think that that makes any difference whatsoever? All you're pointing out is that the corporations have gotten their way.
Time to wake up people. They won the election. We lost. They duped enough weak-minded sycophants into thinking that they were helping themselves when in reality they were (among other things) helping the corporations put someone on the SCOTUS who would help lock in a good twenty to thirty years more of their domination. The best we can hope for now is to control some of the impacts with our actions, but falling into the same trap again, getting duped again, isn't going to make that happen. The longer people think that they can be capitalists when they're making money and socialists when they're spending money the longer the corporations will exploit that weak-mindedness.
We need to break up the big 3 airlines through anti-trust/anti-monopoly measures. We used to have way more airlines and options. The quality has gone way down as the number of airlines has decreased with mega-mergers. Foreign airlines are WAY better in both price and quality.
Now you're talking... How many of those who voted for Trump are willing to be stand up forthright in this thread, admit they were wrong, and pledge to support Gabe's perspective?
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The solution to overbooking is a no refund policy on your tickets unless they sell them to someone else. Cant make your trip? Notify the airline to put your tickets back up for sale. If they do resell them, you get a refund. If not, no refund .
As much as you send me immature personal attacks through DMs, I have to give you credit when you post a constructive thought, as in this case. However, the only way to bring your vision to reality is to impose it by regulation. Individual airlines cannot do it unilaterally, since cravenly opportunistic passengers will still choose the airline that offers refundable tickets that can adapt to their own changing plans... especially business travelers who never know when they'll be done with their work and ready to head home.
Just to clarify, bUU, I called you out in private for either being monumentally stupid or dishonest in the way you twist people's posts here, as others have done to a certain extent publicly, with an example from mine you couldnt defend . And as I told you, I did it for the same reason I dont quote you here, because I do not feel like trying to edit your posts responding to multiple posters in one post to get to the part where you address me , and a poster that twists others words for arguments sake isnt worth the time of reasoning with .
Just to clarify, bUU, I called you out in private for either being monumentally stupid or dishonest in the way you twist people's posts here, as others have done to a certain extent publicly, with an example from mine you couldnt defend
Actually, you spewed gutter-language personal attacks at me without any merit whatsoever, but I am not going to demand you admit that.
There is nothing stupid or dishonest in my postings - you simply don't like them and you're excessively invested in your own proprietary perspective.
Many folks addressing themselves to this matter in all forums and discussion venues seem unwilling to admit that more than just their own, emotionally-driven perspective is valid. It's a sign of maturity to be able to see things from perspectives other than your own. I highly recommend it, especially in the absence of that capability nothing will ever change. The more people aggressively ignore the business' perspective, the more the businesses will use that ignorance to perpetuate what they've been doing now for decades.
Just to clarify, bUU, I called you out in private for either being monumentally stupid or dishonest in the way you twist people's posts here, as others have done to a certain extent publicly, with an example from mine you couldnt defend . And as I told you, I did it for the same reason I dont quote you here, because I do not feel like trying to edit your posts responding to multiple posters in one post to get to the part where you address me , and a poster that twists others words for arguments sake isnt worth the time of reasoning with .
There are several reasons for posting lies and twisting the words of others.
One is that they are being paid to do so and so do they best with what they have to work with.
The other is that they are not playing with a full deck. Thus their posts come across as nonsensical.
In either case, it's a waste of time responding. It's like wrestling with pigs. You get exhausted and covered in filth and the love it.
Those who consistently post lies and twist the words of others are excellent candidates for the ignore function. It's on the drop down list under "My Settings."
I have several people on ignore and it doesn't seem to change the conversation a bit. I suspect their comments are ignored by a lot of folks.
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