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Old 05-24-2017, 07:12 AM
 
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Was Dylann Roof training at terrorist camps in the Middle East ?
Nope, but he subscribed to an ideology that generates terrorists.

Just like Islam is an ideology that generates terrorists (in addition to being a religion that produces poor societal and social outcomes for women, minorities, LGBT and science when adopted by a populace).
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Old 05-24-2017, 07:15 AM
 
Location: Dixie
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Nope, but he subscribed to an ideology that generates terrorists.

Just like Islam is an ideology that generates terrorists (in addition to being a religion that produces poor societal and social outcomes for women, minorities, LGBT and science when adopted by a populace).
Could be ... but I'd wager there are far fewer lone wolves like Dylann Roof around right now than Islamic terrorists.
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Old 05-24-2017, 07:17 AM
 
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Clearly you did not get the memo, you are supposed to pretend white male conservatives are the threat, not radical Sunni Muslim terrorists.
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Old 05-24-2017, 07:17 AM
 
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Or America can stop being allies with Saudi Arabia. Remember? The ones who attacked us. ahh Probably just a coincidence that almost all the hijackers were Saudis.
Nothing to see here mundanes, move along.

And interestingly, even though we've NEVER attacked Saudi Arabia (and indeed, got involved in Gulf War One at the REQUEST of Saudi Arabia and Kuwait)..... the Saudi terrorists STILL attacked us. Maybe we should have let Saddam steam roll them. That would have been better for everyone, honestly.


So is it our "policy" motivating these people? Bin Laden was upset that we had a presence in the "Holy Land"... despite our being INVITED there to PROTECT his country from Saddam in the first place? Seems like your signals are crossed, or you're buying into propaganda.


Are Iranian terrorists blowing us up for what we did to the Shah?


What have we done to Dagestan and Chechnya to motivate the Tsarnaev brothers to blow up a marathon in Boston? In fact, we actually killed CHRISTIANS in the Balkans to stave off genocide of MUSLIMS by Milosevich.



Face it: Your explanations are high school level stuff. Very un-nuanced and ignores the fact that the majority of terror occurs BY MUSLIMS AGAINST MUSLIMS.

It's been this way since the 700s. 1000 years before America was born. And it will be with us so long as there are people who find it important to put their asses in the air and pray towards a rock in the Middle East 5X a day.
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Old 05-24-2017, 07:22 AM
 
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Could be ... but I'd wager there are far fewer lone wolves like Dylann Roof around right now than Islamic terrorists.
Certainly "per capita" there are far less Dylan Roofs than Tsarnaev Brothers.
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Old 05-24-2017, 07:25 AM
 
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You appear to be implying only Muslims can be terrorists, christians can be terrorists too.

And given that the definition of terrorism is "the unlawful use of violence and intimidation, especially against civilians, in the pursuit of political aims.p," then what Dylann Roof was certainly terrorism. Likely the attack of Richard Collins will turn out to be too. But you seem to have no issues with those terrorists.


I think there's a major problem with people not understanding the difference between:

1) MUSLIM or CHRISTIAN terrorists.... and

2) Terrorists who HAPPEN TO BE MUSLIM or CHRISTIAN



If a communist Muslim or Christian blows up a bank with the aim of bringing down capitalism, his religion is incidental and not germane to his motivations (most likely).

If a communist Muslim blows up a church because he is compelled to kill the infidel, then he is engaging in ISLAMIC terror, because the aim is rooted in Islam. Likewise, an abortion clinic being bombed would be Christian terror (not like that actually happens with any regularity anymore).
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Old 05-24-2017, 07:55 AM
 
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Was Dylann Roof training at terrorist camps in the Middle East ?
Please show me where it says in the definition of terrorists, that you have to attend "camp"?

BTW, not even all islamic terrorists go to "camps".
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Old 05-24-2017, 07:59 AM
 
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I think there's a major problem with people not understanding the difference between:

1) MUSLIM or CHRISTIAN terrorists.... and

2) Terrorists who HAPPEN TO BE MUSLIM or CHRISTIAN



If a communist Muslim or Christian blows up a bank with the aim of bringing down capitalism, his religion is incidental and not germane to his motivations (most likely).

If a communist Muslim blows up a church because he is compelled to kill the infidel, then he is engaging in ISLAMIC terror, because the aim is rooted in Islam. Likewise, an abortion clinic being bombed would be Christian terror (not like that actually happens with any regularity anymore).
So what? Dylann Roof's motivation for his terrorism, was racism. That doesn't make him any less of a terrorist. He identified himself as a white, christian, male racist and that those three prior classification also contributed to his acts of terror. So if you are saying that since a subset of a religion becoming terrorists means all members of that religion should be rounded up or held responsible in some way, than shouldn't all members of Dylann Roof's race (since that was his motivation) be treated in a similar manner?
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Old 05-24-2017, 08:00 AM
 
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Please show me where it says in the definition of terrorists, that you have to attend "camp"?

BTW, not even all islamic terrorists go to "camps".
How would you know ?
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Old 05-24-2017, 08:07 AM
 
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How would you know ?
Because I can read.

Nidal Hasan, for example, or Abdulhakim Mujahid Muhammad, Omar Mateen, or that college kid who killed his roommates. There is even a term for it, "self radicalized".
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