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Originally Posted by middle-aged mom
Trump called terrorists losers.
Thinking POTUS, can POTUS, can stop terrorism will likely result in dissapointment.
15/19, 9/11 terrorists entered the US legally on Saudi passports. Three separate POTUS Admins have continued Saudi relations, despite this and their extreme positions on human rights.
The most recent arms deal makes Saudi Arabia the most powerful military in the Middle East.
And any of that is relevant to my response to a poster seeking Muslim condemnation of Manchester how?
Then open your eyes and unplug your ears. The Muslim Community condemns every single one of these. They don't report it on Breitbart or Fox. If you refuse to get a balanced feed of news (which can include right/center/left sources), then at least do some research before showing ignorance by posting such idiotic statements.
All of those are from the Muslim councils of either Britain or local areas because they don't want vigilantes ripping them to shreds. Where are the condemnations from Iran, Saudi Arabia, Yemen, etc. ?
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Three words describe her behavior:
Trump Derangement Syndrome
Our inane relationship with Saudi Arabia started long before Trump's presidency. Even when they were funding radical madrassahs we needed/bought their oil and sold them arms. They've been the worst kind of 'friend' to us, one who shakes your right hand with theirs while while reaching behind your back with their left hand holding the dagger. And we do nothing about it.
When will the war mongers get it thru their fat skulls that no one in the Middle East attacked us until we went over there?
We are all effing doomed because war mongers and their big government supporters have their weird fantasy that we should not respect the rights of the individual.
The key word is Muslim...we did not start it like the other poster suggests.
"Barbary corsairs and crews from the North African Ottoman provinces of Algiers, Tunis, Tripoli, and the independent Sultanate of Morocco under the Alaouite dynasty (the Barbary Coast) were the scourge of the Mediterranean.[SIZE=2][6][/SIZE] Capturing merchant ships and enslaving or ransoming their crews provided the Muslim rulers of these nations with wealth and naval power. The Roman Catholic Trinitarian Order, or order of "Mathurins", had operated from France for centuries with the special mission of collecting and disbursing funds for the relief and ransom of prisoners of Mediterranean pirates. According to Robert Davis, between 1 and 1.25 million Europeans were captured by Barbary pirates and sold as slaves between the 16th and 19th centuries.[SIZE=2][7][/SIZE]"
You need to understand Islam first before you can claim so about Islam.
Islam does not teach us violence against all non-believers or those who do not hold to it. A response is not the first act but response to someone else's action. Islam does not teach violence in response to peace.
If non-believers or non-Muslims wish to live in peace with me then Islam teaches me to live in peace with that non-believer or non-Muslim (the Qur'an 8:61).
[60.8] Allah does not forbid you respecting those who have not made war against you on account of (your) religion, and have not driven you forth from your homes, that you show them kindness and deal with them justly; surely Allah loves the doers of justice.
[60.9] Allah only forbids you respecting those who made war upon you on account of (your) religion, and drove you forth from your homes and backed up (others) in your expulsion, that you make friends with them, and whoever makes friends with them, these are the unjust.
Islam teaches friendship with peaceful people of any religion or of no religion. Violent response is response to violence from the others first. This is to stop the violence in the first instance. Islam does not teach initiating violence or else there would have been no non-believers living with Muslims anywhere in the world today.
Crusades were by the Christians. Bush told the whole world that his God authorized violent attack on Iraq. The whole Christianity began with crucifixion and killing of an innocent man. There would have been no Christianity today without killing of that innocent man.
60.8 qualifies those that can be respected as "those who have not made war against you on account of religion". It does not say "those who have not made war against you". The latter means it is okay to befriend people who have not attacked you. The former means it is okay to befriend people who have not attacked you only if an attack would not have been on account of religion. Well, if non-Muslim attacked, that would have automatically been considered on account of religion. So basically, it is okay to befriend Muslims who doesn't attack, but it is not okay to befriend a non-Muslim who does not attack.
This is further supported by 60.9 which forbids respecting those who make war on account of religion. In other words, if a Muslim makes war against you, you can later befriend them, but if a non-Muslim makes war against you, you cannot later befriend them.
What about the Muslims in the Middle East ? Did the Saudis and Iranians deploy more troops overnight to decimate ISIS ? Are all of the Middle Eastern imams renouncing the violence as contrary to what the Quran teaches ?
oh Trump is looking after that for us.
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