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look you can keep saying that. But ultimately ACA has insured more people, with vastly better coverage and would work if the damn Republicans did not keep breaking it on purpose.
and every insured poor person brings down risk and cost for everyone else. it is basic easy math, but clearly ignored by many a Trumper...
23 million fewer insured.
medicaid cut by 834 BILLION
sounds like a plan to bankrupt millions families and throw tax cuts to wealthy democrats like me...
It would NOT work. Eatna is pulling out of Pennsylvania because their profits are NOT high enough. It's not that they are not making a profit, they did. It's just not high enough for Wall Street. So Aetna pulls out or Wall Street dumps their stock and they crash and burn.
This is NOT a viable system to take care of sick people. We should NOT be hedging profits on the back of the sick.
Yes, Trump's plan sucks but Obamacare sucked also. It's a waste of time trying to determine which was the suckiest.
At least the GOP is thinking about cost in the long term which Obama care spun out of control. The DNC belly acks about this plan that 22 Million will be uninsured. The real problem is 60 million people can not even use their insurance under ACA.
At least the GOP is thinking about cost in the long term which Obama care spun out of control. The DNC belly acks about this plan that 22 Million will be uninsured. The real problem is 60 million people can not even use their insurance under ACA.
You note that is a real problem (and it is) .......I will note that the GOP is doing nothing about this problem but making it worse.
look you can keep saying that. But ultimately ACA has insured more people, with vastly better coverage and would work if the damn Republicans did not keep breaking it on purpose.
What exactly have they done to break it?
If you mean stopping things like stealing from Fannie Mae to keep it afloat that really doesn't constitute "breaking" something IMHO.
At least the GOP is thinking about cost in the long term which Obama care spun out of control. The DNC belly acks about this plan that 22 Million will be uninsured. The real problem is 60 million people can not even use their insurance under ACA.
They may be "thinking" about the costs of HC in the US, but they are not addressing it. Nothing in this bill will put any controls on HC costs, like what is found in other countries that aggressively tackle costs. All one needs to do is juxtapose the cost of certain medicines/procedures/treatments in the US against the costs of the exact same medicines/procedures/treatments in other countries to see how out of control the problem is here.
The reason this is important is because no system will work if we don't actually address that elephant in the room. UHC, ACA, AHCA, or the system we had pre-ACA...none of these will be successful without working to bring down these costs to a manageable level.
The newest version of the American Health Care Act will add an extra 14 million people to the ranks of the uninsured by next year, and 23 million by 2026, the Congressional Budget Office said in a score of the bill released Wednesday.
They may be "thinking" about the costs of HC in the US, but they are not addressing it. Nothing in this bill will put any controls on HC costs, like what is found in other countries that aggressively tackle costs. All one needs to do is juxtapose the cost of certain medicines/procedures/treatments in the US against the costs of the exact same medicines/procedures/treatments in other countries to see how out of control the problem is here.
The reason this is important is because no system will work if we don't actually address that elephant in the room. UHC, ACA, AHCA, or the system we had pre-ACA...none of these will be successful without working to bring down these costs to a manageable level.
Well, as it relates to drugs in particular, we are largely subsidizing those low costs other countries enjoy. If they had to pay the "real" costs, they wouldn't get those nice low costs either. This is fixable - easily - but our politicians do not seem inclined to do so. Much like defense spending - so low in other countries because we're the ones either subsidizing theirs or acting as their defense. Just a small reason why it's a bit difficult to compare us to others when you do not take into account they aren't even paying their "fair share" so to speak.
They may be "thinking" about the costs of HC in the US, but they are not addressing it. Nothing in this bill will put any controls on HC costs, like what is found in other countries that aggressively tackle costs. All one needs to do is juxtapose the cost of certain medicines/procedures/treatments in the US against the costs of the exact same medicines/procedures/treatments in other countries to see how out of control the problem is here.
The reason this is important is because no system will work if we don't actually address that elephant in the room. UHC, ACA, AHCA, or the system we had pre-ACA...none of these will be successful without working to bring down these costs to a manageable level.
The problem is the Gov. Must dictate to the Medical Field and Insurance what is true cost and control Mark up. LOL with this the Insurance and the Medical Profession does not want to here what X will be.
AND on top of the 23 million many millions more will have MUCH WORSE insurance coverage.
and remember COSTS WILL GO UP under TRUMPCARE.
let me repeat that.
YOUR TRUMPCARE payment will be 20% in 2018. and over all will increase until 2026 at 4.5 to 5.5 % per year. which is about the same at Obamacare..
so we lose tens of millions covered, the quality of plans drops massively and the increase rate stays the same.
(no plan goes down!)
Well, I actually read the CBO report and it did not say that. It did say overall, premiums would be lower but there was a small subset of people for whom it could be higher. I did link the actual report earlier in the thread in case you're interested.
It would NOT work. Eatna is pulling out of Pennsylvania because their profits are NOT high enough. It's not that they are not making a profit, they did. It's just not high enough for Wall Street. So Aetna pulls out or Wall Street dumps their stock and they crash and burn.
This is NOT a viable system to take care of sick people. We should NOT be hedging profits on the back of the sick.
Yes, Trump's plan sucks but Obamacare sucked also. It's a waste of time trying to determine which was the suckiest.
Obamacare is and was better. but remember Obamacare was supposed to be a step in the direction of a working sustainable system. GOP simply blocked every attempt to tweak it of fix it.
We can make a plan work, but with the GOP focused on profit and with too many Democrats afraid to take a stand, we are getting nowhere.
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