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Old 06-05-2017, 03:29 AM
 
Location: Home is Where You Park It
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Obama didn't care about these people. Why do you? Or are you just interested in pointing out the faults in others?
But Obama never threatened them with losing their government benefits either. In fact, he tried to expand those benefits.

Trump IS threatening to take those benefits away.
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Old 06-05-2017, 04:30 AM
 
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Low wages disincentivize work. The average SSDI payment is $1170/mo. Minimum wage is $1160/mo BEFORE taxes. Then you have to factor in transportation cost to and from work (and in many cases, daycare). I would much rather stay home and raise my kid than work for LESS money. There is no nobility in putting your kid in daycare and being POORER just to say you're working. If we adopted a living wage, more of these people would go to work.
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Old 06-05-2017, 04:46 AM
 
Location: Phoenix
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Rural Rust Belt? Sheesh.

When will you learn that you do not win by demeaning others?
They won't, they live for trying to feel and act superior to people they try to demean.
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Old 06-05-2017, 05:14 AM
 
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https://www.bloomberg.com/news/artic...t-trump-voters

I can see this. I just moved to Nebraska a month ago and while Omaha metropolitan area certainly isn't rural America there are alot of people who come to the area to shop from rural Nebraska.

rural Nebraska is no where near the level of decline of parts of the rural Southern states and rural Rust-Belt areas but I am shocked by the number people with rural license plates in Nebraska that look to be of working-age that breathe heavily and have to sit down in stores to catch a breath.

I think alot of people in rural America have just given up. There is 4 times the amount of SSDI per-capita in some rural Trump voting areas then the national average.

The national average is 4%, yet 20% or more of some of the rural Trump areas are on SSDI.

For about three-quarters of these people they are disabled due to lifestyle choices and taking resources away from the 5% or so of working-age adults who really need these programs.

People who smoke several packs of cigarettes a day, eat tens of thousands of calories per week and use massive amounts of illicit drugs out of boredom in rural parts of these states are taking resources away from those who have cancer, conditions they were born and disabled children.

Obviously, there is the 4% that needs and deserves the assistance they get as they are disabled or ill for no fault of their own.

I am just at a loss for words though when I see people from rural areas of Nebraska in their cars with license plates from rural counties that look to be in their 20s and 30s that can hardly get out of their vehicle because of unhealthy food and smoke cigarettes on the way to the store entrance.

I really think much of rural America will have to a complete crisis in the next decade because of the lifestyles they live and the way they vote.

Are you claiming this just started 4 months ago when Trump was elected?

And some wonder how they have lost over, 1,400 political seats and counting since 2009!
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Old 06-05-2017, 05:17 AM
 
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"20% of working-age people on disability in some Trump-voting areas."

Probably that's the 20% of people in that area who voted for Hillary.
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Old 06-05-2017, 05:19 AM
 
Location: Springfield, Ohio
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Low wages disincentivize work. The average SSDI payment is $1170/mo. Minimum wage is $1160/mo BEFORE taxes. Then you have to factor in transportation cost to and from work (and in many cases, daycare). I would much rather stay home and raise my kid than work for LESS money. There is no nobility in putting your kid in daycare and being POORER just to say you're working. If we adopted a living wage, more of these people would go to work.
Sad but true. Unless there is a grandma at home to watch the kids while mom goes to work it's not feasible to go to work if you're not making at least a middle class wage. The current minimum wage is a joke and the only excuse we hear in support of these billion dollar corporations who pay it is "it's a teenagers job". Because apparently there are 50+million teenagers out there working retail and food service across the country.
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Old 06-05-2017, 05:24 AM
 
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Sad but true. Unless there is a grandma at home to watch the kids while mom goes to work it's not feasible to go to work if you're not making at least a middle class wage. The current minimum wage is a joke and the only excuse we hear in support of these billion dollar corporations who pay it is "it's a teenagers job". Because apparently there are 50+million teenagers out there working retail and food service across the country.
Many of these jobs are designed for entry level. The problem is, the better jobs left. No, it's not all because of technology. It's because Wall Street demands it and this is not a sustainable economic model.
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Old 06-05-2017, 06:52 AM
 
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Other then Douglas, Sarpy and Lancaster counties they have a number at the beginning of the plate number that is based on the population of the county when the license plate system was started.
You are reading people's license plate numbers and then watching how they breathe?
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Old 06-05-2017, 06:56 AM
 
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Are you claiming this just started 4 months ago when Trump was elected?

And some wonder how they have lost over, 1,400 political seats and counting since 2009!
no- actually- using logic and reasoning I think point OP was making was that in places that elected a man to slash the safety net nearly 20% of working age people really on said benefits...That these people vote against their self interest for some reason? Yet I'm sure they feel their benefits are earned or justified and other people, especially those in urban area, are the leeches.....
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Old 06-05-2017, 07:08 AM
 
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no- actually- using logic and reasoning I think point OP was making was that in places that elected a man to slash the safety net nearly 20% of working age people really on said benefits...That these people vote against their self interest for some reason? Yet I'm sure they feel their benefits are earned or justified and other people, especially those in urban area, are the leeches.....
Many who voted for Obama to end the wars ended up seeing theirs sons and daughters get sent off to fight in them also.
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