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Old 06-03-2017, 06:05 PM
 
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We won't save anything we couldn't have saved any and we will lose jobs that will be created by those industries. However, blue states are going to continue so they can get those jobs and industries. Red states will be left out and behind - again. This is a classic example why the West Coast has all those technology jobs while Appalachia and the Rust Belt cheer Trump while they wait for coal to come back.
What jobs?

What industries?
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Old 06-03-2017, 06:07 PM
 
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Sigh. There is a lot of money to be made with this. And Trump could have remained without paying another penny. We've already paid a billion and he effectively threw that away. Likely because Macron and Merkel mocked him a bit.

He predicted that U.S. companies involved in environmentally friendly technologies will relocate renewable technology research and development centers to Asia, helping countries such as India, Indonesia and Vietnam that need foreign capital to reach renewable goals.

"By leveraging the strong manufacturing value chain in China and other Asian countries, cost of renewables could fall even faster and penetrate more rapidly to displace dirty fossil fuel such as coal in key Asian markets," Yu said.


Trump withdraws from Paris Agreement: It's not just China who could benefit from the move
As I said. Give money away for a very definite maybe. Not good enough.
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Old 06-03-2017, 06:07 PM
 
Location: ATX/Houston
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Perry and Tillerson only wanted to stay in to export more gas. None of them, Trump included, think that human activity has any meaningful effect on climate change. The US will export more gas regardless of the agreement and we probably will save millions by not being involved.
We could have used the Paris Agreement to negotiate trade deals.... but Trump doesn't have the foresight to do that. China and India are reducing their emissions because of quality of life and productivity, not so much climate change.

The US will export LNG regardless, but this agreement could have been a boon to where many of the LNG export terminals that are merely proposed will go under construction. To call this deal as a loser for Americans just shows a complete lack of vision and business sense.
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Old 06-03-2017, 06:10 PM
 
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Shipping LNG by ship?

I don't want a hundred thousand ton floating bomb entering our harbours.
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Old 06-03-2017, 06:11 PM
 
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As I said. Give money away for a very definite maybe. Not good enough.
Don't worry. Blue states have gathered ten states in 48 hours that will be working with global leaders to support the Paris Agreement. They want those jobs. Two of those states have Republican governors.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United...imate_Alliance
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Old 06-03-2017, 06:11 PM
 
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Shipping LNG by ship?

I don't want a hundred thousand ton floating bomb entering our harbours.
that already happens.
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Old 06-03-2017, 06:13 PM
 
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Don't worry. Blue states have gathered ten states in 48 hours that will be working with global leaders to support the Paris Agreement. They want those jobs. Two of those states have Republican governors.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United...imate_Alliance
And those states can give away state money but not one dime of fed money.
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Old 06-03-2017, 06:14 PM
 
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that already happens.
I am aware of that. Shipping LNG by freighter is highly inefficient.
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Old 06-03-2017, 06:14 PM
 
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And those states can give away state money but not one dime of fed money.
Trump could have remained in the agreement without paying another penny. We've already contributed a billion dollars. He just walked away and wasted that. Unbelievably ridiculous. He threw his little tantrum in the Rose Garden and wasted a billion dollars.
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Old 06-03-2017, 06:14 PM
 
Location: Silicon Valley, CA
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Perry and Tillerson only wanted to stay in to export more gas. None of them, Trump included, think that human activity has any meaningful effect on climate change. The US will export more gas regardless of the agreement and we probably will save millions by not being involved.
There's an old saying - if you don't have a seat at the table, you're on the menu.

Pulling out means that you forego opportunities to influence how the guidelines are shaped.

If you are a supplier to a major client, you want to be able to write the specs to your advantage.

Being a no-show means that the Germans, French, and Chinese will influence the guidelines more and not necessarily to the USA's advantage.

In any case, American companies who want to export their products will want to meet international environmental guidelines anyway in order to be competitive.
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