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Old 06-12-2017, 03:47 PM
 
Location: State of Transition
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Don't confuse the democrats with their corrupt leadership. Most independents voted for Sanders as well, and they outnumber democrats. He would have won a fair, non-rigged primary, but it was anything but fair. Wikileaks has made that very clear.
The Bern would have crashed and Burned if elected to the White House. Look at how Republicans stonewalled Obama. They'd have made a laughingstock of Bernie.

And Bernie had no game plan for implementing his measures. The San Francisco Chronicle staff invited him for an interview and discussion; they wanted to do a feature article on him. They were jazzed. He couldn't answer any of their questions about the mechanics of government relevant to his various proposals. He had no clue. He was all air, no substance. They couldn't do the article, in the end. The experience was a wake-up call for them.
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Old 06-12-2017, 04:55 PM
 
Location: My House
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I agree, but sadly the R's & D's have created a system that makes it virtually impossible to get on the ballot in all 50 states, get equal funding, get into the debates, or get equal publicity, unless they run as one of the two. Ross Perot, Ron Paul & Ralph Nader figured that out the hard way. Ron Paul then wised up, while Bernie Sanders & Donald Trump skipped the futility & tried to change the parties from the inside.
I think this is something we should fix.
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Old 06-12-2017, 04:58 PM
 
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Talk is cheap. Bernie has never been able to get any of his proposed legislation even discussed by Congress, let alone actually voted on and passed. Anyone can pontificate before an adoring audience. It makes for good theater and self-flattery. The liberal movement will have to do a lot better than this, if it wants to get anywhere.
Congress is bought. What's so great about that? You make it sound like Bernie, the man who is NOT beholden to big money donors, is the problem. And not the bought Congress (and president Trump).
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Old 06-12-2017, 04:58 PM
 
Location: My House
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The Bern would have crashed and Burned if elected to the White House. Look at how Republicans stonewalled Obama. They'd have made a laughingstock of Bernie.

And Bernie had no game plan for implementing his measures. The San Francisco Chronicle staff invited him for an interview and discussion; they wanted to do a feature article on him. They were jazzed. He couldn't answer any of their questions about the mechanics of government relevant to his various proposals. He had no clue. He was all air, no substance. They couldn't do the article, in the end. The experience was a wake-up call for them.
Yes. Bernie and Trump were flip sides, in many respects, of the same coin. Rabid fan baaes, empty promises, no clue how to implement policy, etc.

Bernie was just more articulate and had spent time in Congress.
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Old 06-12-2017, 05:01 PM
 
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Congress is bought. What's so great about that? You make it sound like Bernie, the man who is NOT beholden to big money donors, is the problem. And not the bought Congress (and president Trump).
Of course it's a problem. But, Bernie and Trump are both beholden. Anyone who makes it that far in a presidential race is beholden to someone.

Being beholden, yet still able to negotiate policy, is what we ultimately need. Change won't start in the White House. Eight years of Obama makes that pretty obvious.
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Old 06-12-2017, 05:02 PM
 
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The Bern would have crashed and Burned if elected to the White House. Look at how Republicans stonewalled Obama. They'd have made a laughingstock of Bernie.

And Bernie had no game plan for implementing his measures. The San Francisco Chronicle staff invited him for an interview and discussion; they wanted to do a feature article on him. They were jazzed. He couldn't answer any of their questions about the mechanics of government relevant to his various proposals. He had no clue. He was all air, no substance. They couldn't do the article, in the end. The experience was a wake-up call for them.
Sounds like a classic hit piece by the Chronicle staff. When was this written?
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Old 06-12-2017, 05:05 PM
 
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Yes. Bernie and Trump were flip sides, in many respects, of the same coin. Rabid fan baaes, empty promises, no clue how to implement policy, etc.

Bernie was just more articulate and had spent time in Congress.
Bernie didnt promise anything. Didnt you pay attention at all? He is FIGHTING for pro-worker policies as a man not beholden to anyone but the people, unlike the puppets people vote for who are swimming in corporate donations and lobbyist money. He is saying again and again that nothing, absolutely nothing will change unless the people stand up and fight back against big money influence in politics. He is not a one man savior is always his message. Totally different than Trump. Sounds like you just hear what you want to hear.
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Old 06-12-2017, 05:09 PM
 
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Of course it's a problem. But, Bernie and Trump are both beholden. Anyone who makes it that far in a presidential race is beholden to someone.

Being beholden, yet still able to negotiate policy, is what we ultimately need. Change won't start in the White House. Eight years of Obama makes that pretty obvious.
Nonsense. Trump is swimming in big money donations from the billionaire class and vested interests. Why do you think the GOP and the president signed an internet spying bill that had 6% public support? It was bought and paid for legislation, just like the health care bill and other bills pushed by Trump and his big money lackeys in Congress.

To compare Trump, a proud authoritarian crony capitalist out to enrich himself and his cronies and who uses a golden toilet, with a man like Bernie Sanders is totally absurd. Bernie Sanders is not beholden to the corporate elites and big money donors. They despise him. He is beholden to ordinary Americans, the 99%, the workers and salt of the earth Americans.

I have never heard Bernie Sanders say that change starts with the White House. He always says the complete opposite. It starts with the grassroots. The president can use the bully pulpit and very few would be as effective as Sanders in doing just that. But it requires an engaged citizenry and a people willing to fight to get big money out of politics. Are you willing to fight for that? Or are you voting for errand boys of the richest and most powerful people in the country?
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Old 06-12-2017, 05:24 PM
 
Location: NC
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Bernie is now the heart of the liberal movement. And he ain't going anywhere.
He should go to Venezuela, they need a new Socialist leader, get that crap out of the US!
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Old 06-12-2017, 05:26 PM
 
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He should go to Venezuela, they need a new Socialist leader, get that crap out of the US!
I am sure you would love it if we eliminated the socialist policies like Medicare, Social Security and public schools as well. Get that crap out of the US, right? Who needs public services that serve the people?!?!
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