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Old 06-20-2017, 08:13 PM
 
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George's brother Marvin Bush was on the Board of Directors of Stratesec the firm in charge of security for the World Trade Center on 9/11. If that wasn't enough, Bush's cousin Wirt Walker was the company's CEO. Stratesec was also in charge of security for Dulles Airport where one of the 9/11 planes took off. You wanted to know how they circumvented security to plant the bombs, there's your answer.

After 9/11, the Securities and Exchange Commission (SEC) recommended that Stratesec be investigated for insider trading related to 9/11. Oddly enough, the FBI and SEC never followed through with the investigation, claiming it was unnecessary because the officers of Stratesec had no “ties to terrorism or other negative information.” Of course the Bush FBI swept that one under the rug as well.

But of course no answer will ever satisfy the Kool-Aid drinkers who think Bush and Cheney can do no wrong.
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Old 06-20-2017, 08:22 PM
 
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It wouldn't be too hard to plant the explosives in the buildings. Legitimate, routine construction and renovation work is taking place in the towers all the time.
So on one hand, one can rig explosive charges in complete and utter secrecy, whereas - on the other hand - the engineering spaces have tons of contractors on legitimate business all the time.

One call of "Hey boss, what's with this wiring not on the blueprints?" and the entire plan is - ehm - blown.

This scheme you're envisioning is, and I am sorry, but there's no other word for it: Stupid. Imagine the pitch:

We'll have 2 aircraft strike the WTC, but that's not enough - we also need to blow them up, because Americans would totes shrug off a few thousand people dying in the fires. Never mind that leaving thousands of pounds of explosives risk the scheme being uncovered. Oh, and we need to rig WTC 7 as well. It's a building nobody has ever heard of, but it has to collapse, or the public will just not buy into our scheme. Also, its collapse destroy some sooper-secret paperwork, because paper shredders are too hard to come by, and a simple fire is just not, y'know, evocative at this point.

Whaddaya mean, "Are we done yet?" NO! We need to strike the Pentagon with a missile. NOT a plane, because we used planes on the WTC and it's, like, been done. A missile. Only, we will make it look like a plane, for reasons. And go to the added risk of commandeering a plane. And kill the plane's passengers and put them in the Pentagon But it still has to be a missile, because - well, BECAUSE IT HAS TO!

<deep breath>

Now, here's a clever bit: We'll make all the hijackers Saudi. That will totally put people in the mood to invade Iraq. Making them Iraqi is too on the nose, this is more refined and besides, Joe Sixpack couldn't tell one from the other on his best day, let alone recognize which one we're allied with.

See? Simple. No problem keeping that a secret.
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Old 06-20-2017, 08:29 PM
 
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But of course no answer will ever satisfy the Kool-Aid drinkers who think Bush and Cheney can do no wrong.
Hold it right there, buddy.

Bush and Cheney (and Donald mfing Rumsfeld) took the justified and righteous anger after the 9/11 attacks, cynically redirected towards their desire to make war on Iraq. They were gleefully assisted by their little obedient propagandist Roger Ailes, who's presumably sharing quarters with Goebbels right now.

That still doesn't make the 9/11 attacks anything but the act of some p.ssed-off Arabs.
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Old 06-20-2017, 08:48 PM
 
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Even stupider is the official story that expects us to believe 19 hijackers conspired to carry out an incredibly elaborate, complicated scheme involving four airliners and multiple US landmarks. A plan that involved months if not years of planning. A plan that involved 19 Arabs traveling to the US with several of them going to flight school to learn how to fly an airplane just so they can crash them into buildings.

When someone wants to commit a terrorist act, they buy a gun, run a car into a crowd of people, make a simple home-made bomb and blow themselves up. Muslim terrorists don't plan something as incredibly elaborate and complicated as 9/11. Something so incredibly complicated requires the resources of military and intelligence agencies to pull off. And it is not without precedent.

Operation Northwoods was similar to the scale of 9/11. Look it up, you might learn something.

In 1962 elements within the US government conspired to carry out multiple acts of terrorism on US citizens, including blowing up civilian airplanes filled with American students, sinking American ships, as well as hitting landmarks in American cities. This is historical fact. But it wasn't enough for them just to blow up one airplane filled with American passengers, and then of course blaming it on Cuba and/or Russia in order to start World War 3. They wanted to completely shock the American public into supporting a massive new war with Cuba and Russia. To their twisted minds blowing up just one airplane wasn't enough to do the job. It had to be something as huge as 9/11.
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Old 06-20-2017, 08:50 PM
 
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George's brother Marvin Bush was on the Board of Directors of Stratesec the firm in charge of security for the World Trade Center on 9/11. If that wasn't enough, Bush's cousin Wirt Walker was the company's CEO. Stratesec was also in charge of security for Dulles Airport where one of the 9/11 planes took off. You wanted to know how they circumvented security to plant the bombs, there's your answer.

After 9/11, the Securities and Exchange Commission (SEC) recommended that Stratesec be investigated for insider trading related to 9/11. Oddly enough, the FBI and SEC never followed through with the investigation, claiming it was unnecessary because the officers of Stratesec had no “ties to terrorism or other negative information.†Of course the Bush FBI swept that one under the rug as well.

But of course no answer will ever satisfy the Kool-Aid drinkers who think Bush and Cheney can do no wrong
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And who would that be? I have not seen one single person on this thread who disagrees with your straight-off-the-truther-website recitations who defended Bush and Cheney.

You don't get it, do you, that there are people on here who KNOW that much of what you say doesn't make any sense. There was no one "firm in charge of security for the World Trade Center on 9/11". The base security was PAPD, who had a command in building 5. Then there was a security company that oversaw the electronic access to the elevator banks and provided the humans who checked ID badges, and the people who kept the databases and checked in and verified visitors and those dastardly contractors, and then there were various security consultants...

Again, you make it embarrassingly clear that you don't know what you are talking about.
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Old 06-20-2017, 08:58 PM
 
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He's just cutting and pasting now.

These were college-educated men with an agenda. Why couldn't they pull it off? They couldn't do a truck bomb because the bollards put it place and the restrictions on parking/trucks under the building after 2/26/93 made it impossible to get near. They couldn't get inside and do any damage. I know two people from the WTC--both of whom survived that day to say "I told you so--who said, when we would discuss the next time, because we always knew there would be a next time, "Next time they will come back with planes and fly them into this building." It was not hard to imagine, sitting up there in the sky seeing planes and helicopters below you. The idea was already out there a la Ramzi Yousef.
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Old 06-20-2017, 09:14 PM
 
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But of course no answer will ever satisfy the Kool-Aid drinkers who think Bush and Cheney can do no wrong.
I've drank Kool-Aid in the past, it was OK.

But my beef with your viewpoint on this has nothing to do with Bush or Cheney or summertime refreshments. I'm a scientist. My problem is that your beliefs are so wildly unscientific that it is painful to continue reading them. But just like horror shows that you just can't look away from, I'll continue to read 'em anyway.
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Old 06-20-2017, 09:17 PM
 
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I've drank Kool-Aid in the past, it was OK.

But my beef with your viewpoint on this has nothing to do with Bush or Cheney or summertime refreshments. I'm a scientist. My problem is that your beliefs are so wildly unscientific that it is painful to continue reading them.
A scientist that doesn't understand Newton's third law of motion taught in every high school science class?

If you are a scientist, I am the pope.
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Old 06-20-2017, 09:59 PM
 
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It wouldn't be too hard to plant the explosives in the buildings. Legitimate, routine construction and renovation work is taking place in the towers all the time. If someone wanted to rig the buildings with explosives, no one would know. They would simply do it under the guise of performing regular building maintenance and renovation. Another interesting coincidence was Marvin Bush, Bush's cousin was the head of the company in charge of security for the towers. Independent scientists have found explosive residue in the debris and dust, while Bush officials conducting the investigation admitted that they never bothered to check for explosive residue.

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not...NOTHING, NOTHING of any type of residue of exposives was EVER found...you lie

oh please...only an idiot would bring up marvin bush who was NOT EVEN associated with the WTC

I knew some idiot would bring up marvin

he was a STOCKHOLDER in a company that got the ELECTRONIC security contract after the 1993 bombing(contract awarded in 96)..that company LOST its contract in 1997 and EJ electric got it

bush was a STOCKHOLDER in a company called Securacom (later Stratesec),that LOST the contract in 1997...


Securacom got the $8.3 million World Trade Center security contract in October 1996 and received about $9.2 million from the WTC job from 1996 (a quarter of its revenues that year) to 1997. But in 1997, the company was "excused from the project" because it could not fulfill the work, according to former manager Al Weinstein, and the electronic security work at the WTC was taken over by EJ Electric, a larger contractor.
The Long Island City, N.Y.-based contractor installed 2 million feet of fiber-optic cable, hundreds of security cameras, access control and 110 turnstiles, including systems integration. The parking garage also became restricted after a terrorist drove a van, containing a bomb, into the underground parking garage in 1993.


so the twoofer lie..is matched by the debunker truth....the security system was installed and operated by E-J Electric Installation Co., and Electronic Systems Associates, a division of Syska Hennessy

E-J Electric Installation Co.

and as far as bush goes

Marvin Bush was reelected annually to Securacom's board of directors from 1993 through 1999. His final reelection was on May 25, 1999, for July 1999 to June 2000. Throughout, he also served on the company's Audit Committee and Compensation Committee, and his stock holdings grew during the period. Directors had options to purchase 25,000 shares of stock annually. In 1996, Bush acquired 53,000 shares at 52 cents per share. Shares in the 1997 IPO sold at $8.50. Records since 2000 no longer list Bush as a shareholder.



the twoofer marvin bush lie......DEBUNKED
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Old 06-20-2017, 11:01 PM
 
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Keep drinking the kool-aid, workingclasszero.

Don't want to waste that beautiful mind of yours on such unpleasant things, do you?
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