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Old 06-19-2017, 02:13 AM
 
Location: The Republic of Gilead
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Strong Second Amendment advocates have developed this narrative that Democrats, especially under the Obama administration, wanted to confiscate guns from law abiding citizens. The image is typically armies of government agents in black masks going from home to home breaking down doors to take people's weapons. Anybody rational knows that this is paranoia with no basis in reality but the fact of the matter is that the paranoia exists and it was hugely instrumental in getting Trump elected. "Obama wants to take our guns" was the mantra all across rural America. Obama didn't really help the situation when he would use the aftermath of mass shootings to talk about gun control.

Question is, are there Democrats that really want to take it as far as to confiscate guns from law abiding citizens? The things I've heard proposed are things like stricter background checks and bans on certain types of assault rifles, but not the apocalyptic, totalitarian gun grab that the NRA and conservatives fearmonger could happen under Democratic leadership.

What do you think? Is the NRA crowd's paranoia based in reality or is it simply tinfoil hat paranoia? This is important because as I stated, it was hugely instrumental in the election of Trump. A lot of people voted Trump specifically because they feared Obama and/or Hillary wanted to attempt a gun grab.
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Old 06-19-2017, 02:17 AM
 
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Why does this matter? The USA is the safest country in the whole world. We have more guns and limited gun laws, hence we are safer. I learned that from the NRA.
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Old 06-19-2017, 02:29 AM
 
Location: Texas Hill Country
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We-ll, there is the reality that there were so many times during the past administration that the party in power tried to do an end run around the Constitution and deny people their gun rights.

As long as supporters can say, "See? He never came after your guns!" then I suppose they cannot be bothered with all the other things that went on.
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Old 06-19-2017, 02:36 AM
 
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We-ll, there is the reality that there were so many times during the past administration that the party in power tried to do an end run around the Constitution and deny people their gun rights.

As long as supporters can say, "See? He never came after your guns!" then I suppose they cannot be bothered with all the other things that went on.
educate us with facts

http://www.factcheck.org/2016/01/sor...-gun-proposal/
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Old 06-19-2017, 02:55 AM
 
Location: Texas Hill Country
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Did he not say this?

Obama: It's 'insane' that people on the 'no-fly' list can buy guns - CNNPolitics.com

Did he not push this?

Obama pushes to extend gun background checks to Social Security - LA Times

The basic point of the matter is that so often we saw him try to bypass the Due Process Clause of the Constitution (if you want to remove someone's rights, you take them to court) through this administrative ruling or that one.
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Old 06-19-2017, 03:25 AM
 
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Did he not say this?

Obama: It's 'insane' that people on the 'no-fly' list can buy guns - CNNPolitics.com

Did he not push this?

Obama pushes to extend gun background checks to Social Security - LA Times

The basic point of the matter is that so often we saw him try to bypass the Due Process Clause of the Constitution (if you want to remove someone's rights, you take them to court) through this administrative ruling or that one.
You've provided nothing to show that he has "tried to do an end run around the Constitution and deny people their gun rights" or "try to bypass the Due Process Clause of the Constitution" You are merely expressing your opinion.

A "push" to do anything is an effort to act within the law. When you go through the courts you are de facto following the law.

Every single day in the USA our SCOTUS decides constitutional issues, are they all "end arounds"?

Is Trump's travel ban an "end around". Will that be proven if SCOTUS strikes it down?

How about allowing felons and mental patients to carry weapons? Are their rights being violated?
How about 14 year old gang bangers?

Are you aware that Obama loosened gun restrictions on bringing guns on Amtrack and into Federal parks? Funny thing to do for a fellow trying to bypass the constitution and take away our guns.
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Old 06-19-2017, 04:33 AM
 
Location: Sector 001
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Why does this matter? The USA is the safest country in the whole world. We have more guns and limited gun laws, hence we are safer. I learned that from the NRA.
Of course they want to take the guns.. they pretty much make this perfectly clear by the way they word themselves... like this person here. I never see them propose common sense legislation.. they're always creating "gun free zones" and trying to ban the AR-15 which is nothing more than a scary looking semi automatic rifle with a 30 round capacity... a ruger 10/22 with a round that has more gunpowder in it and shoots further.

I never see them suggest optional training classes in high school to go along with sex ed, for example. They have no interest in educating people about guns because people would then start to own them more. Politically speaking there's only one approach they want to take.. ban em.

It's the single biggest issue that turns people off from voting democrat. Let millions of people that don't have our cultural values flood into this country, be shocked that one of them shoots up a place, and then blame the gun. It's the democrat way.
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Old 06-19-2017, 05:13 AM
 
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Strong Second Amendment advocates have developed this narrative that Democrats, especially under the Obama administration, wanted to confiscate guns from law abiding citizens. The image is typically armies of government agents in black masks going from home to home breaking down doors to take people's weapons. Anybody rational knows that this is paranoia with no basis in reality but the fact of the matter is that the paranoia exists and it was hugely instrumental in getting Trump elected. "Obama wants to take our guns" was the mantra all across rural America. Obama didn't really help the situation when he would use the aftermath of mass shootings to talk about gun control.

Question is, are there Democrats that really want to take it as far as to confiscate guns from law abiding citizens? The things I've heard proposed are things like stricter background checks and bans on certain types of assault rifles, but not the apocalyptic, totalitarian gun grab that the NRA and conservatives fearmonger could happen under Democratic leadership.

What do you think? Is the NRA crowd's paranoia based in reality or is it simply tinfoil hat paranoia? This is important because as I stated, it was hugely instrumental in the election of Trump. A lot of people voted Trump specifically because they feared Obama and/or Hillary wanted to attempt a gun grab.
Many Democrats are gun owners, and no, there has never been an attempt to disarm the American public.

Another hoax used to manipulate the people.
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Old 06-19-2017, 05:34 AM
 
Location: Central Washington
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Question is, are there Democrats that really want to take it as far as to confiscate guns from law abiding citizens?
Yes there are.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mj4AcjyuV38

Although most of them aren't this honest about it.
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Old 06-19-2017, 06:52 AM
 
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Yes there are.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mj4AcjyuV38

Although most of them aren't this honest about it.
She is entitled to he view and doesn't speak for all Democrats.

Still waiting for a conservative to say whether they would give guns to mental patients, felons or 14 year old gang bangers. If so, using your logic, they are trying to take away our guns!

Heck the constitution actually says "arms", which is short for "armaments", of which nukes and rocket launchers are included and sarin. Anyone think we should sell them to anyone with cash?

Reasonable people understand limits.
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