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Old 06-23-2017, 10:57 PM
 
Location: the very edge of the continent
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How does a regressive tax structure reduce the income and wealth gap?
Two ways:

1) It removes the incentive for the government to establish policies that make the rich even richer in order to maximize tax revenue.

2) A relatively high VAT tax discourages unnecessary spending (designer clothes, latest greatest cell phone, frequently eating out, etc.) and incentivizes saving and investment.
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Old 06-23-2017, 11:00 PM
 
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Whoa -- hang on -- talk about being in a bubble. Do you have any idea how many rural Americans who vote Republican are on welfare? Obviously not.
Not as many as you imagine. 2/3 of those on public assistance welfare programs are Dem voters.

Sources: Maxwell Poll, Pew Research.

I can give more detail, if you wish.
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Old 06-23-2017, 11:02 PM
 
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Lol... he's been pushing his regressive tax structure as the way forward for quite some time now. It just happens to defy all logic...
If it defies all logic, as you claim, why does it work well in Scandinavia/Europe?
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Old 06-23-2017, 11:43 PM
 
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Not as many as you imagine. 2/3 of those on public assistance welfare programs are Dem voters.

Sources: Maxwell Poll, Pew Research.

I can give more detail, if you wish.
What does it matter what political affiliation they are. My niece voted for Trump, she has 2 special need kids. She can't work because she has to stay home for them.
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Old 06-23-2017, 11:56 PM
 
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What does it matter what political affiliation they are.
Some people are assuming the majority of those on public assistance vote Republican. Not true. 2/3 of those on means-tested public assistance programs vote Dem.
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Old 06-24-2017, 12:23 AM
 
Location: Wisconsin
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It's this kind of crap that keep people divded. I don't understand it.
You would understand IF you would read the data. The data are facts. - not crap.

Crap is unsupported uninformed beliefs - which clearly you are a believer in - or you wouldn't have made the statement you did.
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Old 06-24-2017, 01:39 AM
 
Location: England
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Some people are assuming the majority of those on public assistance vote Republican. Not true. 2/3 of those on means-tested public assistance programs vote Dem.
But surely the people who will be hardest hit by this bill, will be the people in republican states. States that are the poorest and least educated in the US. Mississippi, Alabama, Kentucky etc.
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Old 06-24-2017, 02:46 AM
 
Location: The Ranch in Olam Haba
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If employers paid living wages and provided health care, like in the past, we wouldn't even be talking about this.

I realize many here are too young to remember the time when companies lured prospective employees with benefits like health care and pensions. Yes, even pensions.

Back then, companies knew they could provide those benefits for a fraction of what it would cost the individual because they "bought" in lot. Companies saved money by offering those benefits rather than simply competing by paying the highest wages.

Of course, "back then" the middle class owned more wealth than the upper class and the American economy was healthy and thriving.

Today we have poor people campaigning for the rich to get richer. Sounds like Americans have found masochism the better alternative.
And with globalization and competition many of those companies no longer exist.
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Old 06-24-2017, 04:10 AM
 
Location: The Ranch in Olam Haba
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Indeed - but keep in mind, according to these go-it-alone rural types, the "educated elite" are the people ruining this country. So, best not to be one of them and stay informed. Instead, be sure not to deal in facts - paying special attention to the deliberately false propaganda on FOX and r-wing radio and the nonstop lies spewed from the mouth of Donald Trump.

For starters, there this this: Blue State Voters Subsidize Southern Red State Voters, Not the Other Way Around

And then, to further support the above, there is this:

https://www.theatlantic.com/business...takers/361668/

Red states more dependent on federal government - Business Insider

The graphs and maps are revealing.

In short:
the disproportionate amount of federal aid that some states receive allows them to keep their own taxes artificially low.
and their people poor, undereducated, and most of all uninsured. The poor red states have the largest percentage of unhealthy population by far. Kentucky was a poster child for the uninsured and unhealthy population - until it expanded Medicaid - which soon will be gone if the GOP has its way.

Suggested reading: Hillbilly Elegy, by J.D. Vance.
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If one has a basic education one can see your links are skewed. One has to drill down the numbers who exactly in the South is getting the funds. When it comes to the top three being Social Security, Medicare, & Medicaid your reports totally disregard most of these are transplant retired northerners. All one has to do is travel to Florida to find that the most common accent is that of a New Yorker and not any type of southern accent.

Northern states have amnesia to their rural pasts. They have no clue that the town of, village of, hamlet of, etc are all signs of their rural pasts. They think all that exists is urban and suburban. They have no idea that rural was wiped out to create it. As your suburban areas grow, what do think the land was before the houses were there? One word: Rural.

So now let's get back to Fed aid. If the North has destroyed nearly all of the rural land where things are grown to feed your masses, the food has to come from somewhere. And where is that? The South. And since that food needs to somehow make it to processing plants and head up North then there is something called roads that need to be created. Well southerners should not be the ones shouldering the expense of feeding you. It's up to you to shoulder more of the expense as you get a higher percentage of the goods. Are there poor people in the south, well of course it's not like there are large urban centers everywhere. Are there people who who are undereducated, sure. Why bother if people are needed to do a load of blue collar work. Insurance? What good is it to pay for insurance one can't use until the pass a $5000 deductible. Thanks Obamacare.
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Old 06-24-2017, 04:37 AM
 
Location: Sector 001
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And voters need to stop being stupid and do their research to get educated on the policy issues.

People should be voting to support a party platform, not how nice someone speaks. Elect someone based on their contents, not how they present stuff, and generally that's driven by a fundamental platform. Sure presentation matters a little bit as to not insult people and maintain civility, but that's not as important as policy decisions.
Hollywood needs to tone is down and the media needs to stop with their obvious bias. People see it, shut off the TV, and it's one of the reasons nobody's interested in politics. If they're not lying, they're off their rockers bashing in a quite irrational manner thinking that this is what is going to make people change their minds and vote for them.

Like it or not, voters tend to not vote on policy issues and more on character and personality. I have to ask myself if these people carrying around Trump heads and going into their safe spaces are the ones I want to represent my country... democrats have some good issues and they have a lot of political issues where they play certain people against each other for political gain. Example are the racial quotas and double standards against caucasian males, and the one people really dislike, all the section 8 BS where they try to take inner city people and relocate them to wealthier suburbs. If they would stop trying to forcefully mix people of different cultures and classes I'd be more apt to vote for them. Those policies NEVER WORK. Also they tend to waste money on some really silly projects, like a streetcar in Milwaukee nobody will ever use... They're always going after guns, shoving climate change in our faces like we're supposed to do something about it... and they do it in a rather offputting way, scolding us like the religious right used to scold people in the past. People don't respond to that.
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