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Netflix is not customer of the ISP, this is like saying a business that has phone service with one company is the also the customer of the company form the person trying to call them.
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ISPs are multi user platforms.
They deliver to your computer 1's and 0's, the order of those 1's and 0's should have no bearing on the cost you pay them.
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Are we going to now regulate browsers that collude with given websites for faster and fluid matches?
Browsers look up websites through DNS which is like a giant phone book. Web pages on sites are built to the HTML standard. If browser or website wanted to break from those standards they could but it's not going to work out very well for them because browsers and building a website anyone can access an is an extremely competitive market.
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What about mobile OS? Windows OS can't compete with Android or Apple due to the notorious "App Gap."
These are also competitive markets... You are trying to mix apples an oranges.
An ISP delivers to you 1's and 0's. Under NN they can charge you for how fast they deliver those 1's and 0's. they can charge for how many 1's and 0's they deliver to you. What they can;t charge you for is the order of those 1's and 0's. Understand?
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This practice goes against basic NN principles.
This practice has nothing to do with NN, the only thing NN regulates is equal access to those 1's and 0's.
Of course Netflix is. ISPs are multi user platforms. They match servers to users just like a browser does. Are we going to now regulate browsers that collude with given websites for faster and fluid matches?
What about mobile OS? Windows OS can't compete with Android or Apple due to the notorious "App Gap." Google reserves its products to Android and Apple. It will not lease with Windows. This discriminates against Windows users. This practice goes against basic NN principles.
WTF are you talking about? NN is a practice that has a bearing only on IP packets going through a network. In fact, the entire goddamn point is that your ISP can't and won't be able to look into your traffic and benefit one app or OS or content provider over another.
Yes, but if one site uses more bandwidth than other, shouldn't an ISP charge it more or just create a contract to make everybody happy?
Per packet it transports? Because that's NN in a nutshell - the packet containing a funny cat photo and the packet containing a Netflix video frame costs exactly the same for the ISP to transport and should be treated exactly the same.
Netflix is not the customer of the ISP, the consumer is. If the consumer is using more bandwidth you charge them for it. My electric dryer uses a lot of electric, the electric company doesn't charge Maytag for that. They charge me.
To me the analogy of hair dryer is such:
If NN is removed, the electric company can send less electricity towards your Maytag hair dryer making it blow not as hot, because the electric company has a partnership with Siemens hair dryers. (setting aside the actual physical impossibility of this happening with electricity).
Per packet it transports? Because that's NN in a nutshell - the packet containing a funny cat photo and the packet containing a Netflix video frame costs exactly the same for the ISP to transport and should be treated exactly the same.
clearly, you don't live in a rural area with little/no choice in ISPs.
Clearly you don't understand basic economics. If one lives in an area where internet providers have few available customers then there is less chance of competition, so that area would experience highe prices.
That's YOUR decision. If it means alot to you them move. I'm guessing that isn't on the list of top 10 reasons to live rural so people won't. You want to live away from the "rat race"? That's your call. However YOU choose to live there so you benefit and suffer from the lifestyle YOU choose.
I get it. Not having options stinks but if it really is important the problem is easily solved. Free market competition improves our lives. Fiber optics has helped as far as lack of bandwidth. Innovations from the free market drives the internet market. It's worked well enough so far.
Netflix is not the customer of the ISP, the consumer is. If the consumer is using more bandwidth you charge them for it. My electric dryer uses a lot of electric, the electric company doesn't charge Maytag for that. They charge me.
By a better energy efficient dryer. Or do you want government to make that decision for you? Your examples don't hold water when it comes to property rights.
By a better energy efficient dryer. Or do you want government to make that decision for you? Your examples don't hold water when it comes to property rights.
NN is an issue where both sides can come together IMO. Removing NN is not pushed by Democrats or Republicans, it is pushed by lobbyists of old uncompetitive failing businesses who want corporate welfare to stay afloat and prevent competition.
If net neutrality is removed, it would be a failure of our democracy.
By a better energy efficient dryer. Or do you want government to make that decision for you? Your examples don't hold water when it comes to property rights.
Do you not see what he is saying? A consumer has choices, yes....find a better dryer that fits within the capacity of your account or get a higher amount from the company. Nowhere in this situation does the power company go over and try to charge Maytag for what’s going on.
Netflix has its own side separate from the consumer where it pays for what it uses as far as bandwidth. On the consumer side, you are simply paying for X amount of bandwidth. As long as Netflix fits within that bandwidth, it shouldn’t be treated differently. A packet is a packet on the consumer side.
I am curious, can you point to any free market failures yourself?
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