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So we didn't tell the terrorists trying to destroy their own country that we were going to stop arming them? Awwww.
You know what's odd? When one of the most respected Democrats in congress (Tulsi Gabbard) suggested that we quit arming and supporting terrorists in Syria, many leftists were on board. Now that Trump is actually doing so...he's a tool of Putin.
Is there any wonder why no one takes the left-wing seriously? They cry and throw tantrums like spoiled children.
Gabbards speech didn't go over that well with anyone. It's why I hope she runs for president but there weren't all that many of us backing her.
You know what's odd? When one of the most respected Democrats in congress (Tulsi Gabbard) suggested that we quit arming and supporting terrorists in Syria, many leftists were on board. Now that Trump is actually doing so...he's a tool of Putin.
Since I am not a Dem, I can't speak for them, but there were Dems who said she should be voted out of the office after she made comments about Syria.
It other words, some Dems might have supported her, while some others opposed her. You seem to think all Dems always agree on everything, which is why you get confused with your arguments.
Trump is a tool for Putin, that has been clear from the beginning.
""This is a disgrace. Gabbard should not be in Congress," the former Vermont governor tweeted. He later added, "She sounds like Trump making excuses." - Howard Dean
Gabbards speech didn't go over that well with anyone. It's why I hope she runs for president but there weren't all that many of us backing her.
That is because it had direct implications on Obama's poor job performance.
Had Gabbard made similar comments 8 years earlier it would have been continuously echoed throughout congressional sessions and by the MSM.
Party over country!
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And before you come up with some B.S that we are only breaking international law because we are concerned about the Syrian people maybe we shouldn't have started a civil war there by arming extremists because Assad leaving would give us more political power.
Bingo!
ISIS is using their Obama-weapons to kill gays for being gay, capture sex slaves, murder religious minorities; but we care so we should give ISIS, errr moderate rebels, more weapons!
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Why do we have 10 bases in a country that is not even ours?
Impossible!
Obama said 16 times that he would never put ground forces/boots on the ground in Syria. Had he done so, the anti-war left would have thrown a fit.
Well it is not like he struck a country not posing a direct threat to the US without congress. He said that was illegal and Biden said that would be impeachable.
And it isn't like Obama would continue to do military strikes without congress, while ignoring top legal advice from his own Justice Department AND Pentagon that what he was doing was in fact illegal.
Oh wait, he did that too? And the liberal protest was negligible?!
Since I am not a Dem, I can't speak for them, but there were Dems who said she should be voted out of the office after she made comments about Syria.
It other words, some Dems might have supported her, while some others opposed her. You seem to think all Dems always agree on everything, which is why you get confused with your arguments.
Trump is a tool for Putin, that has been clear from the beginning.
""This is a disgrace. Gabbard should not be in Congress," the former Vermont governor tweeted. He later added, "She sounds like Trump making excuses." - Howard Dean
It's why the (D)'s lost to the worse candidate in history.
It isn't our job to fight every war crime everywhere unilaterally.
Especially as we are encouraging war crimes in Syria and elsewhere in the region.
We don't need to provide cover for Russian and Syrian war crimes, either. How exactly do you think we are encouraging war crimes in Syria and elsewhere in the region?
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And so did the US. Yeah, Hope and Change!!!
Evidence?
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Ummm, you are either ignorant of US history or you are distorting for partisan gain as you completely ignore the Democrats doing what you condemn.
Obama in all his genius looked at that history of Carter-Reagan, the power vacuums that he inherited from Bush, and decided to arm multiple rebel groups all over the tinder box known as the Muslim world so he could create more power vacuums.
ISIS, Al Qaeda, and other terrorists kept getting his weapons and the dunce kept dumping weapons into "moderate rebels."
In comes Trump and he doesn't want to make the same mistake that Reagan did, and you blow a gasket, because it ruins Obama's weapons dispersal programs.
Arming Afghan jihadis intensified greatly under Reagan.
Under Obama, we armed Libyans, Kurds, rebels further south in Syria, and the governments of Iraq and Afghanistan.
I have seen no evidence that Trump is trying to avoid Reagan's mistake. There hasn't been any official statement of the reason for terminating the program. When the Trump Administration is trying to deliver more arms to Saudi Arabia, you should expect that there is no effort to avoid Reagan's mistake. Saudi Arabia and Turkey will continue to arm anti-Assad forces. Saudi Arabia, particularly, has shown no interest in restraint as it fights proxy wars against Iran region-wide.
Benghazi attack could have been prevented if US hadn't 'switched sides in the War on Terror' and allowed $500 MILLION of weapons to reach al-Qaeda militants, reveals damning report | Daily Mail Online
Fact: Obama's policies armed ISIS and Al Qaeda. I am sure it was Obama's idiocy of thinking there were "moderate rebels," and not anything nefarious on his part. Yet Obama owns it.
Obama was probably thinking that it is a limited US footprint and causes trouble for Iran, Russia, and Syria--much as they have caused trouble for the US in Iraq.
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True or False: Both Obama and Bush created power vacuums in the Muslim world.
True or False: Both Obama and Bush through a series of blunders armed terrorists.
True or False: Both Obama and Bush used Drones in countries against those countries' will.
You have a simplistic view of the world. I hope you find it comforting.
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Why should Trump continue the Obama-Bush-Doctrine of seeing a Muslim dictator he doesn't like - then choosing to create a power vacuum in the Muslim world - and arming "moderate rebels" who keep turning out to be terrorists?
What benefit does it give the US to have Obama arm Al Qaeda and ISIS among other terrorists?
Who would run Syria better - Assad or ISIS?
There is not an Obama-Bush doctrine.
There are options beyond just Assad & ISIS in Syria.
The US benefit of the program to arm and train Syrian fighters is to prolong the Syrian Civil War and gain leverage for the end of that war. The most optimistic result would be ending the Civil War with the Syrian government in power while Assad steps down and is tried for war crimes.
You are mixing up two separate events. The US assisted Saddam Hussein with chemical attacks against Iranians during the Reagan Administration when the US was assisting Iraq in the Iran-Iraq war. The direct assistance offered was targeting. No evidence has emerged that the US assisted Saddam Hussein when he gassed the Kurds on the Kurdish front of the same conflict.
We don't need to provide cover for Russian and Syrian war crimes, either. How exactly do you think we are encouraging war crimes in Syria and elsewhere in the region?
Evidence?
Arming Afghan jihadis intensified greatly under Reagan.
Under Obama, we armed Libyans, Kurds, rebels further south in Syria, and the governments of Iraq and Afghanistan.
I have seen no evidence that Trump is trying to avoid Reagan's mistake. There hasn't been any official statement of the reason for terminating the program. When the Trump Administration is trying to deliver more arms to Saudi Arabia, you should expect that there is no effort to avoid Reagan's mistake. Saudi Arabia and Turkey will continue to arm anti-Assad forces. Saudi Arabia, particularly, has shown no interest in restraint as it fights proxy wars against Iran region-wide.
Obama was probably thinking that it is a limited US footprint and causes trouble for Iran, Russia, and Syria--much as they have caused trouble for the US in Iraq.
You have a simplistic view of the world. I hope you find it comforting.
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There is not an Obama-Bush doctrine.
There are options beyond just Assad & ISIS in Syria.
The US benefit of the program to arm and train Syrian fighters is to prolong the Syrian Civil War and gain leverage for the end of that war. The most optimistic result would be ending the Civil War with the Syrian government in power while Assad steps down and is tried for war crimes.
It's not our place to say Assad is a bad option, it is NOT our country. We started a civil war there and now claim Assad must go in favor of an American friendly dictator like there is in the gulf states.
I posted over a dozen links showing that under Obama we armed ISIS and Al Qaeda frequently.
Are you really that big of a sheep? Are you really denying that we did this under Obama?
You ignored that Carter started the arming of Afghan rebels, you deny Obama arming ISIS and Al Qaeda in his pursuit for "moderate rebels." Use your brain - Partisan sheep are ruining this country.
Please explain specifically how the Obama-Bush doctrine of removing Muslim leaders in unstable areas is beneficial. Who will fill the void in places like Libya? Syria? Iraq? How many civilians die as we remove leaders that battle terrorist groups and then pour in weapons?
Are you proud that ISIS and Al Qaeda are using US weapons courtesy of Obama to collect and rape sex slaves, kill gays for being gay, kill religious minorities, etc... The US is the biggest arms dealer on planet earth (some of which goes to radical Muslim terrorists free of charge)...
How many people resent the US, because ISIS and Al Qaeda are given US weapons to terrorize them and then we drone them from the skies...collateral damage...
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