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Old 07-24-2017, 11:39 AM
 
Location: Warrior Country
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How exactly did Obama double the national debt? Please be specific on policies that did that without accounting for the Great Recession?
What part of (round numbers) 9.5 Trillion dollar debt in the spring of 2009...... to 19 Trillion dollar debt in the spring of 2017.....do you not understand?

Oh, & Bailouts weren't necessary. (at least 90% of them weren't). Obama & his predeccessor (the two worst presidents in our history), took the advice of Investment Bankers & Big Banks (who were the ones bailed out) at the expense of the American taxpayer.

The Great Recession would have worked it's way out in another year anyway. AND UNLIKE THE GREAT DEPRESSION, Obama didn't put people to work nor do we have any Capital Projects to show for the Trillions that he p*ssed off.
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Old 07-24-2017, 11:50 AM
 
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in my humble opinion, when you rise on wedge issues, you will eventually reach the point where the wedges work against each other.


I think historians will start looking at the GWB years and the Karl Rove approach as a campaign that reached a crest of wedge issues, then crashed hard.


Barak Obama also used that approach and in his first term, benefited from the backlash to the previous conservatives wedges falling apart.


But, the cycles speed up and what we just saw was the American Left come apart because their wedges began to work against each other.


I honestly don't know where we are now. its far easier to look into the past and see what happened.


Trump does have his wedges and the dems have theirs. what will be interesting is to see if either party can get past that and get back to stuff that has depth.


Both Reagan and Clinton ran straight up economy campaigns and both focused there for the most part of their presidencies.
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Old 07-24-2017, 11:51 AM
 
Location: Old Bellevue, WA
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I am a blue collar/union worker. Of my 75 or so co-workers, the vast majority are low info. Two or three are liberal-left, and 10 or so are conservative-right. The union of course is now all-Dem-all-the-time, although 30 or so years ago that was not the case.


A lot of my co-workers are gun owners, and Democrats tend to lose them on that issue.
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Old 07-24-2017, 11:53 AM
 
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What part of (round numbers) 9.5 Trillion dollar debt in the spring of 2009...... to 19 Trillion dollar debt in the spring of 2017.....do you not understand?

Oh, & Bailouts weren't necessary. (at least 90% of them weren't). Obama & his predeccessor (the two worst presidents in our history), took the advice of Investment Bankers & Big Banks (who were the ones bailed out) at the expense of the American taxpayer.

The Great Recession would have worked it's way out in another year anyway. AND UNLIKE THE GREAT DEPRESSION, Obama didn't put people to work nor do we have any Capital Projects to show for the Trillions that he p*ssed off.

Bingo. Ford, being solvent, would have bought the few parts of GM that were functional. Toyota and/or Honda would have bought some, too. As for banks, same principle. There were healthy banks, who would have bought healthy pieces of dying banks, at big discounts.

But the 7 figure employees at the carcasses convinced dupes nationally a bailout was in USA's interest.
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Old 07-24-2017, 07:51 PM
 
Location: Unperson Everyman Land
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Blue collar whites were never liberal, they were labor. Republicans killed organized labor and there's no shop foreman to tell the bigots to vote Dem.



My union tell us to vote for Democrats all the time but they can't tell us why we would ever want to.
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Old 07-24-2017, 08:05 PM
 
Location: Planet Telex
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I love my country and I love my profession, and I understand how democrats and illegals have damaged both.
You should really blame the capitalists who hire them.
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Old 07-24-2017, 10:22 PM
 
Location: Live:Downtown Phoenix, AZ/Work:Greater Los Angeles, CA
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My union tell us to vote for Democrats all the time but they can't tell us why we would ever want to.
One big reason, Republicans are anti-union
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Old 07-25-2017, 06:50 AM
 
Location: The City of Buffalo!
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^ You also should add; ^

anti blue collar
anti poor
anti environment
anti rail transit
anti Amtrak
anti regulation of any kind
anti choice
anti gun control (in spite of what happened a month ago)
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Old 07-25-2017, 06:55 AM
 
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So basically without Obama, the Dems are screwed

LOL, that's like saying "without American Motors US Auto Manufacturing is screwed"
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Old 07-25-2017, 08:08 AM
 
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You should really blame the capitalists who hire them.

Sure, but the illegals themselves are equally guilty of breaking the law. They know what they are doing coming here illegally and taking a job they aren't lawfully entitled to. They also know that stealing a SS is against the law. No one drags them over the border to work here.
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