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Old 07-25-2017, 02:30 AM
 
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Originally Posted by Seacove View Post
We have reached a point where the majority doesn't win. We are a country controlled by rural voters and the divide is going to get much worse.
Yes, it does depend on other factors like the electoral college and similar constructs, but democracy is still based on the basic premise that majority rules and it is up to our elected officials to implement the majority's wishes.

As an individual, you either accept that or you simply do not support democracy. And while in tight races things can go awry, I still believe that this will not be a tight race. This is now coming to a serious breaking point, where more and more people will be left to fend for themselves.

Some who currently have employer based coverage will be adamantly against change, until they fall prey to a layoff or other crisis. But, before long the majority will be too great for gerrymandering and other trickery to tilt the scales.

Interesting that you mention rural voters, they seem to be the one's who are most disenfranchised by the current health care system, and who embraced Trump's message of bringing "better" health care to the masses. And many of them have flocked to Obamacare. Many will be quite incensed if they lose their coverage at this point.

I believe that if the senate were to pass their version of health care, it would only speed up the process by kicking millions to the curb.

 
Old 07-25-2017, 02:36 AM
 
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Originally Posted by shaker281 View Post
Yes, it does depend on other factors like the electoral college and similar constructs, but democracy is still based on the basic premise that majority rules and it is up to our elected officials to implement the majority's wishes.

As an individual, you either accept that or you simply do not support democracy. And while in tight races things can go awry, I still believe that this will not be a tight race. This is now coming to a serious breaking point, where more and more people will be left to fend for themselves.

Some who currently have employer based coverage will be adamantly against change, until they fall prey to a layoff or other crisis. But, before long the majority will be too great for gerrymandering and other trickery to tilt the scales.

Interesting that you mention rural voters, they seem to be the one's who are most disenfranchised by the current health care system, and who embraced Trump's message of bringing "better" health care to the masses. And many of them have flocked to Obamacare. Many will be quite incensed if they lose their coverage at this point.
I look forward to rural voters losing their health care. Kentucky voters loved Kynect but hated Obamacare because it was brought by Obama. Kynect IS Obamacare. Obama did more to help West Virginia than probably any president in decades. He gave them healthcare when no one would. Did they appreciate it? No they did not. So they deserve to lose it.

Trump has been working on gutting the ACA every since he came to office. I think they will vote to repeal it this week. McCain will come here to vote to take away health coverage to tens of millions while he receives the best taxpayer paid health care in the world.
 
Old 07-25-2017, 05:06 AM
 
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We have reached a point where the majority doesn't win. We are a country controlled by rural voters and the divide is going to get much worse.


Good lord....the left has lost 1200+ governmental seats across the United States since Obama took office....DAMN that trump....
 
Old 07-25-2017, 06:03 AM
 
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Let me stop you right there. Obama blamed the Bush administration for at least 5 possibly 6 years about his failures as president. When the Stimulus failed to produce the way it was supposed to in his first two years it was Bushes fault. When shovel ready jobs weren't as shovel ready as he thought (and laughed about it when he made that comment) Obama blamed Bush. Obama was blaming Bush right up to his re-election.

Ya' need to stop the crap with these postings. Obama was a terrible President with little experience at really anything other than being a professional student and community organizer that happened to have a law degree in constitutional law but looked at ways to circumvent said constitution every chance he could get. Obama is basically a militant with an obtuse view of the United States because he spent his formative years living in a country that hates America. This man, Obama was thrust into a tremendous position of power and had the opportunity to provide leadership and wound up being an empty suit. He never built anything but he sure left a lot of destruction in his wake. The country carried on in spite of him, not because of him. Obama did everything he could to hurt business, to hurt the middle and upper class and did NOTHING to help the poor and minorities in this country. The best he could do was stoke the fires of racial discord. Let me end on this note. If it weren't for capitalism and Wall st. this country would be dead ****ing broke and would like a third world country.
You sound about like someone from the Pre -1964 Crowds, claiming every black person is a militant, because they don't sit back and accept white people bully stomping around under some arrogance of white superiority.
Speaking of The Mess Bush made is one thing, but Obama took action to FIX IT, that's called owning it and Fixing It.
You must have been on another planet, because it was the Racist Tea Party along with the Racist Right Wing that pushed all the racist madness. Based on your post, you appear to have been a early George Wallace and Bull Connors Student.
The rest of that silliness you typed I won't even waste time itemizing its Imbecilic elements.
 
Old 07-25-2017, 06:10 AM
 
Location: The Republic of Texas
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IF ACA Fails, It's Trump's Fault!!!!

It was never designed to be a "maintenance free program", it requires administrative maintenance...

Noting in this world lives without maintenance, and to expect it to, is the acts of a fool !!!! When it was established it was known and stated, that it was not perfect and would need modifications and amendments as well as other service related works.

Trump is Killing ACA and the blame is 100% his and 100% the Republicans. Any and all damages is to be blamed on Trump and Republicans 100%

He thinks he's being his standard racist imbecilic self, and all he is doing is damaging American lives. Everything about ACA that become more troubled, is and does belong to Trump. He can't escape that no matter how much he flaps his lips or how many over ripe Republican stand behind him.

He is so desperate to not pay taxes, and push some "give the wealthy more money", until he will damage anything and anyone in the process.

One thing is Certain. ACA was working when he got there, and just like a car that runs and need a tune up and oil change, and you don't do it, and the car breaks down... IT'S YOUR FAULT.
Because you already knew it needed maintenance.

IF ACA Fails, It's Trump's Fault!!!!


Ya, blame Trump for things totally out of his control.
 
Old 07-25-2017, 06:10 AM
 
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You mean the same way Obama use Holder to carry out his agenda circumventing the Constitution by appointing far left leaning wacko judges that carry water for their militant Muslim masters.
Thank you for Identifying Yourself.... (!!!)
 
Old 07-25-2017, 06:52 AM
 
Location: NC
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Originally Posted by Chance and Change View Post
You sound about like someone from the Pre -1964 Crowds, claiming every black person is a militant, because they don't sit back and accept white people bully stomping around under some arrogance of white superiority.
Speaking of The Mess Bush made is one thing, but Obama took action to FIX IT, that's called owning it and Fixing It.
You must have been on another planet, because it was the Racist Tea Party along with the Racist Right Wing that pushed all the racist madness. Based on your post, you appear to have been a early George Wallace and Bull Connors Student.
The rest of that silliness you typed I won't even waste time itemizing its Imbecilic elements.
post wasnt directed to me but there are some holes in the logic presented above.

ACA was passed on the votes of how many white people, again?

3 uses of racist in 1 sentence, hypocrite liberal alert

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Old 07-25-2017, 07:06 AM
 
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lmao. Typical Leftist tactic. **** everything up royally then blame the other guy.
 
Old 07-25-2017, 07:09 AM
 
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I look forward to rural voters losing their health care. Kentucky voters loved Kynect but hated Obamacare because it was brought by Obama. Kynect IS Obamacare. Obama did more to help West Virginia than probably any president in decades. He gave them healthcare when no one would. Did they appreciate it? No they did not. So they deserve to lose it.

Trump has been working on gutting the ACA every since he came to office. I think they will vote to repeal it this week. McCain will come here to vote to take away health coverage to tens of millions while he receives the best taxpayer paid health care in the world.
And I look forward to city dwellers paying more and more taxes to support the illegals they love so much. They support this crap so they deserve to go broke supporting them.
 
Old 07-25-2017, 07:27 AM
 
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Heath care in this country is going to explode into a huge crisis, sooner rather than later.

Anyone who was fiddling while Rome burns will carry that responsibility.

Anyone who isn't working feverishly to address this problem for all concerned will carry that responsibility.

If you are not nearly at retirement and think you will hang onto your health care and employment for several more decades with impunity, you are likely going to be caught up in the mess in a very big way. How many of you think your current employer will not stick you with the bill when premiums double or kick your ass to the curb when you become an older, less healthy liability?

Raise your hands, I'd like to know who the naive ones are!
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