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Some think you can't be pro-life and support abortion for rape and life of the mother. This has never been an issue before . It seems pro-choice wants to bait and throw in strawmen arguments. I have never made them explain their stances. Im a moderate pro-life lefty who supports abortion in rape or life threatening cases and I feel it's a moderate stance. I care about the mom's life and the emotional impact rape has. They didn't choose these circumstances , even though life threatening pregnancies are often much wanted.
I dont feel a 11 yr old should be forced to birth since the risk is too high physically as well as emotional impact. However im not advocating rape babies be aborted no more than pregnancy that threatens the mother or those with possible birth defects that prevent them form normal lives. I'm saying they need support in what they can't control regardless what they decide. I don't think this stance makes me pro-choice.THis is why abortion isn't black and white.
The United States and North Korea are the only two countries with essentially unlimited abortion policies. The exception "health of the mother" means anything. We have no restrictions at all. The aborted is a human being from the time of conception. Left to it's own, 99.999% of the time, the human appears ready to live in our world within 9 months.
Exceptions on abortion laws or policies are used by lawyers and the courts to justify anything.
As to why we have Planned Parenthood, thank Sanger, Eugenics and socialist European governments in the early to mid 20th century.
Here is an undeniable fact.........no one likes abortion, whether you are pro life or pro woman's right to choose. However, no matter how we legislate it or try to control it, the other undeniable fact is that there are always going to be women who, for one reason or another, seek to terminate a pregnancy early.
That being the case, we need to make it so that we do not criminalize or penalize women who have to make that choice, and we need to allow clinics to provide a safe, secure environment for that procedure to occur.
I grew up in the 50's and beyond, when abortions were done in back alleys under dangerous, illegal circumstances. Many women died or suffered badly from those abortions, and were made to feel like criminals for making that choice. THERE ARE GOING TO BE WOMEN WHO TERMINATE PREGNANCIES AS LONG AS THE HUMAN RACE IS ON THIS PLANET, that is simply a fact. Therefore, we should stay away from the very personal choice that these women make, and allow clinics to operate so that we do not return to those horrible times of the past.
No amount of pro life interference is going to stop women from making this decision, so the best we can do is provide better education and birth control information so that a lot of women never have to make this decision at all. Trump wants to kill planned parenthood, but they are a wonderful source of this much needed information and assistance, they do so much more than abortions, they help keep women from getting pregnant in the first place.
I don't think it is black and white. My own abortion views are too conservative for most liberals but are too liberal for the pro-life crowd.
I think people who want to ban all abortions for any reasons all the way back to conception are simply wanting to force their religious beliefs on everyone. On the other side, I think there are some serious problems with abortion on demand once the fetus reaches a certain point in the pregnancy.
It's hard to have a dialog when anti-abortionists draw a red-line at "life begins at conception" and then use 9 month abortions and harvesting late term "baby parts" as a boogie-man.
"If you go with what Hillary is saying, in the ninth month, you can take the baby and rip the baby out of the womb of the mother just prior to the birth of the baby,” - Trump
In reality, about 90% of all abortions occur in the first trimester, and less than 1% occur in the third trimester (& most of those for medical reasons).
Guys - odds are many women you know, and even respect, have had abortions - you just don't know it..
The reason it's so polarizing is that one side sees abortion as murder and the other sees restrictions on abortion as an intrusion upon a woman's bodily autonomy.
I'm Pro Choice. That can look different in different situations.
If the father sticks around then the choice needs to be mutual. If the mother is left on her own it should be her choice. I agree with differentiating the rape choice to others.
Abortion is anything but black & white. The disagreement on its meaning to the battle of Pro-Life v. Pro-Choice makes it a very fluid situation.
I'm not a religious person, therefore that angle of the discussion doesn't hold much water with me personally.
Morality lies within the decision. That makes it such an undeniably difficult one to make under any circumstances. I don't believe I have the right to intervene with a mother's choice and have always felt that way. My sperm or not, my job was counted in minutes, while the female has 9 months of work ahead. I think that makes a big difference.
Most people will never face the moment of truth when they must make a choice, and that's a blessing. It leaves room for discussions like this one.
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