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Old 08-06-2017, 05:05 AM
 
Location: Here and now.
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The problem is,the people of Germany are not allowed to express what they really think.
They are probably more free than you think. It's not a dictatorship.

I would love to hear what people who have actually lived or traveled in Germany have to say about this.
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Old 08-06-2017, 05:08 AM
 
Location: Great Britain
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They are probably more free than you think. It's not a dictatorship.

I would love to hear what people who have actually lived or traveled in Germany have to say about this.
You don't generally bring up the subject of WW2 with the Germans, and it is part of their history that they naturally feel very uneasy and sensitive about.

As for the salute, it's often banned to stop right wing groups and skinhead thugs from making a nuisance of themselves.
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Old 08-06-2017, 05:09 AM
 
Location: Tulsa
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So people from other countries can't comment on our laws, or customs in the U.S.? I see a lot of bashing of our right to keep at bear arms here from foreigners. Should their comments not be allowed about our firearms? No, they should be welcome to comment, and voice their views as much as I am about their lack of free speech.

Loretta Lynch, and the Obama Dept. of Justice wanted to start arresting people for SPEECH against Muslims. Do you want that too? It seems Germany would be just fine with that.


Nazi is just one of the infamous totalitarian states, along with soviet union, communist China.

I honestly don't believe replacing Nazi with another totalitarian ideology is a better idea.

Giving any government the power to limit free speech is the recipe for disaster.
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Old 08-06-2017, 05:12 AM
 
Location: Brackenwood
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As for the salute, it's often banned to stop right wing groups and skinhead thugs from making a nuisance of themselves.
But it doesn't stop right-wing groups and skinhead thugs from making a nuisance of themselves. They will keep doing in much more serious ways than thrusting their palms into the air at a 60-degree angle, so the law's most significant achievement is to get harmless Chinese tourists caught up in the legal system.
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Old 08-06-2017, 05:14 AM
 
Location: Here and now.
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So people from other countries can't comment on our laws, or customs in the U.S.? I see a lot of bashing of our right to keep at bear arms here from foreigners. Should their comments not be allowed about our firearms? No, they should be welcome to comment, and voice their views as much as I am about their lack of free speech.

Loretta Lynch, and the Obama Dept. of Justice wanted to start arresting people for SPEECH against Muslims. Do you want that too? It seems Germany would be just fine with that.
I didn't say such comments should be disallowed, either about our laws or Germany's. I merely said they aren't relevant. People can talk all they want. Doesn't mean it will change anything.

As for laws restricting speech in the US, if I said something suggesting I would favor them, please show me where I did it.
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Old 08-06-2017, 05:15 AM
 
Location: Asia
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Did they forget to pack common sense in their luggage?

That's like if German tourists went to Beijing and publicly joked about the Tiananmem Square massacre, or if tourists went to the USA and dressed up as the KKK and took selfies.
Well, dressing up like the KKK idiots is not illegal in the US.

So far, thoughts and expressions without action are still not illegal in the US.
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Old 08-06-2017, 05:16 AM
 
Location: Tulsa
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They are probably more free than you think. It's not a dictatorship.

I would love to hear what people who have actually lived or traveled in Germany have to say about this.
A German girl on C-D complained that it's inappropriate to bring up national identity, national pride, unwillingness to accept Muslim immigrants because they would be called Nazi.

Germany seems to be more free as long as it's not political. For instance, nudism.
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Old 08-06-2017, 05:17 AM
 
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You don't generally bring up the subject of WW2 with the Germans, and it is part of their history that they naturally feel very uneasy and sensitive about.

As for the salute, it's often banned to stop right wing groups and skinhead thugs from making a nuisance of themselves.
This doesn't surprise me at all.

The thing that amazes me is how unwilling some Americans are to accept the fact that other countries have laws that differ from our own. No wonder our tourists have such a bad reputation.
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Old 08-06-2017, 05:18 AM
 
Location: Asia
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In a western country, it is highly abnormal to outlaw a symbol or the use of any symbol in casual situations. So it deserves discussion.
Maybe not. Citizens of Western Europe, the UK, and Canada all have less freedom, compared to US citizens, to express political and religious ideas.
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Old 08-06-2017, 05:20 AM
 
Location: Morrison, CO
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I didn't say such comments should be disallowed, either about our laws or Germany's. I merely said they aren't relevant. People can talk all they want. Doesn't mean it will change anything.
I understand, but I think free expression of views is "relevant". I am not saying I can, or even want to change the laws in Germany. That is up to the Germans. They are a sovereign nation, and can do whatever they want, within reason of course, as long as it doesn't affect the rights of others outside their country.

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As for laws restricting speech in the US, if I said something suggesting I would favor them, please show me where I did it.
I wasn't suggesting you did. If it was implied, I did not intend that.
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