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Did you condemn the leftist and Antifa when they rioted on all those campuses like Berkely or when BLM riots? But you have a cow when the alt-right marches through a campus.
The US was not formed as "proposition nation" though especially not for anyone who was not ethnically/racially white. Your Israeli colleague is just creating a justification for a double standard. The "proposition nation" concept and philosophy was pushed after WWII and somewhat before that by particularly the Jewish and other non-WASPS and some WASPS brought to fruition by the 1965 immigration Act. In 1790, citizenship was reserved for "free whites of good moral character". It wasn't until a civil war and constitutional amendment and other laws by 1870 that first blacks were granted naturalization rights, and I think it was 1920 for Amerindians, since they've been American all along, and not until 1953 for everyone else. For many decades before the 1965 Immigration Act immigration was restricted or barred from outside of Western Europe.
And like you pointed out, even if America was and is a "proposition nation" there comes a time and circumstance when things have to be changed and reformed.
That is interesting to know, in essence it sounds like a lot of what modern Americans take for granted is in fact very recent in US history, maybe mid 20th century at the earliest. Even my Israeli colleague seemed to be hinting at some nervousness and tension within Israel about its identity, for example there are apparently some very bitter conflicts even within the Jewish community itself about who counts and who doesn't. The Askkenazi apparently don't get along with Sephardi (sp?) in many cases with some doubts about who's Jewish and who's not. Both groups have issues with the large and growing Ethiopian Jewish community. There are bitter debates about converts versus those born Jewish, secular vs religious, many feeling that the secular ones don't qualify. All this on top of diversifying cities there. So I got the sense that even though he wanted to claim Israel was distinct in some way from the proposition country concept he was claiming for the US, he himself had some questions about its validity.
This is only a guess but a lot of those marching work for companies that support their views. There have already been two CEOs that quit Trump's council today. If they found out their employees were marching against Trump's positions, they may agree with the employees marching. Would they cost their employer business? Is their value greater? That's probably the answer the employer would determine.
Well if the corporations are on anti-fas side than just about every checkmark is completed that they are the fascists. No free speech, no borders, no nation just one big multi-racial economic zone by and for the wealthiest.
Not any worse than when my boss is black has a non-English first name, where's Africa clothing, supports BLM, and treats white employees disparately from black ones.
Why not just change jobs if you're that unhappy? Better yet, start your own company and hire people who think like you?
Well if the corporations are on anti-fas side than just about every checkmark is completed that they are the fascists. No free speech, no borders, no nation just one big multi-racial economic zone by and for the wealthiest.
To be against fascism is not typically considered a bad thing.
Okay. So what about Muslim terrorists mowing down people with cars? Why not ban all Muslims then?
Did I say ban all white nationalists or supremacists? No, they are Americans. Crappy ones but Americans citizens and they should not be banned or thrown out of the country. We don't need to tolerate their baloney, and their employers can fire them if they do dumb crap like become the poster child for white supremacy at the cville rally.
That is interesting to know, in essence it sounds like a lot of what modern Americans take for granted is in fact very recent in US history, maybe mid 20th century at the earliest. Even my Israeli colleague seemed to be hinting at some nervousness and tension within Israel about its identity, for example there are apparently some very bitter conflicts even within the Jewish community itself about who counts and who doesn't. The Askkenazi apparently don't get along with Sephardi (sp?) in many cases with some doubts about who's Jewish and who's not. Both groups have issues with the large and growing Ethiopian Jewish community. There are bitter debates about converts versus those born Jewish, secular vs religious, many feeling that the secular ones don't qualify. All this on top of diversifying cities there. So I got the sense that even though he wanted to claim Israel was distinct in some way from the proposition country concept he was claiming for the US, he himself had some questions about its validity.
Your Jewish friend does not speak for all Jews. The vast majority of Jews don't care if someone is Sephardi or ashkenazi or black or whatever. Like any religion, including Christianity, there are fanatics who believe bonkers racist and xenophobic crap but pretending they are the majority is a lie.
That is interesting to know, in essence it sounds like a lot of what modern Americans take for granted is in fact very recent in US history, maybe mid 20th century at the earliest. Even my Israeli colleague seemed to be hinting at some nervousness and tension within Israel about its identity, for example there are apparently some very bitter conflicts even within the Jewish community itself about who counts and who doesn't. The Askkenazi apparently don't get along with Sephardi (sp?) in many cases with some doubts about who's Jewish and who's not. Both groups have issues with the large and growing Ethiopian Jewish community. There are bitter debates about converts versus those born Jewish, secular vs religious, many feeling that the secular ones don't qualify. All this on top of diversifying cities there. So I got the sense that even though he wanted to claim Israel was distinct in some way from the proposition country concept he was claiming for the US, he himself had some questions about its validity.
Yes, exactly! Progressives, communist and liberals and spineless conservatives/Republicans who went along, drastically altered America by the 1960s and continued to do so. Then out of one side of their mouth claim this was always the way America was or was meant to be, and out of the other side admit it wasn't and was a very "racist" country for and by whites. For example look how fast the media was able to turn public opinion from against gay marriage to supporting it with religious furor in a few years and changing 1,000s of years of tradition.
It's interesting of the dynamic between Jews you describe. I've heard of some of them. But your friend is exemplifying the hypocrisy and double standard common among Ashkenazi that is one of things that make some irate. My interest in what they do only goes as far as what policies they push and advocate for America. No one wants to let the white majority to decide for themselves so the left bring mass immigration of non-whites to take that away and to use as a wedge.
BLM have murdered many people in cold blood. Sure one guy crashed his car into counter-protesters but it was in a heated situation.
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