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less complicated systems < like , ohh, eyesight could have been put to use? A vessel the size of an oil tanker can be seen even on a dark night. It's a system sailors have been using for millennia that has a decent reputation for reliability. Hell, IDK, I wasn't there. Impossible to say what happened.
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No it's not clear.
They lost control of the boat. They apparently had back ups available which were ineffective or not used.
Could they have stopped? Maybe they tried and that got them hit? There are still too many unknowns. But it appears it started with the loss of steering.
I dont expect much from this military of ours, vietnam,korea and 13 years in afghanistan, but can we at least not run into other ships?? is that really that high of a standard to meet???
lvmensch refers to Navy reports of a steering mechanism failure on USS McCain, and that will ruin your day, particularly in a busy waterway like this.
Any twin screw should be able to maneuver without a rudder. But it can be really exciting in a crossing situation if you are moving at speed. The general thing you do is stop. But if up at cruise that might be wrong. At low speeds the rudder becomes ineffective and you can easily override it with the engines.
It is clear there was a failure of the steering system so the stand on vessel changed course. The remaining question is why backup systems were not immediately put to use.
Not only that, why is it other actions not taken once they started closing in 5000 yards or whatever their standing orders were for the area. The destroyer does not need to steer to avoid the collision if they were operating with the usual distances, it is not they are close together like cars on a busy highway. They could have just come to a dead stop, because they should have been damn aware that cargo ship will not be able to stop or make any quick turns.
Also, it seems no alarm was given prior to the collision, which baffles me why no one sounded the alarm when they saw it was going to collide, or even be close. But again, not all info has came out yet.
They have relieved the 7th fleet commander, as I expected. Squadron commander will be next.
Not only that, why is it other actions not taken once they started closing in 5000 yards or whatever their standing orders were for the area. The destroyer does not need to steer to avoid the collision if they were operating with the usual distances, it is not they are close together like cars on a busy highway. They could have just come to a dead stop, because they should have been damn aware that cargo ship will not be able to stop or make any quick turns.
Also, it seems no alarm was given prior to the collision, which baffles me why no one sounded the alarm when they saw it was going to collide, or even be close. But again, not all info has came out yet.
They have relieved the 7th fleet commander, as I expected. Squadron commander will be next.
I would think it clear they were not observing separations of multiple thousands of yards. Having been within a few hundred yards and on occasion few hundred feet of major US naval vessels I know perfectly well they don't do so in US waters even well off shore. In US harbors they may well have patrol boat escorts but no where near a thousand yards.. Maybe 300 feet.
And you get into the crossing situation where you going to cross well in front of a big ship and suddenly you lose rudder and turn toward them. An astute deck officer msy instantly stop or even reverse. But the failure itself distracts attentions and they may actually get the books out on the problem. Suddenly they realize they are not sure they are going to clear and slam on the brakes...actually ending up dropping the boat in exactly the right position to get creamed.
When the sh*t hits the fan all sorts of weird things happen.
and it is always sad. Know a half dozen small boat incidents when simply stopping would have fixed everything but they did not. Including a couple of very well seasoned skippers.
The admiral did not rule out some kind of outside interference or a cyber-attack being behind the latest collision, but said he did not want to prejudge the inquiry. His broader remarks suggested a focus on “how we do business on the bridge.”
Hacking is a possibility. Some people have expressed concerns about the military's over-reliance on technology. You
haven't seen nothing yet. I saw 60 minutes the other day when they showcased autonomous ships and drones. These
things are so precise and efficient that they make human operators look like retards.
Hacking is a possibility. Some people have expressed concerns about the military's over-reliance on technology. You
haven't seen nothing yet. I saw 60 minutes the other day when they showcased autonomous ships and drones. These
things are so precise and efficient that they make human operators look like retards.
Hacking is pretty much absurd. This is eye ball navigation. The only way it could be due to hacking was if someone was able to seize both the steering and throttle systems. That is very close to being impossible.
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