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The entire Democratic Party leadership continues to play the Obama era identity politics and in fact have amplified it. They refuse to call BLM out over calling for the killing of police or riots nor the violence coming from the Antifa crowd. They continue to embrace open borders and globalism no matter the cost to middle America. They refuse to utter the words Islamic terrorism.
Though I can go either way as demonstrated by my voting record, at this point I will likely vote Republican in 2018 & 2020 unless the Democratic Party disavows the extremists in their midst and puts forth some fresh faces that speak to the middle. I'm tired of hearing about bathrooms, Russia, and statues. It's political theater and the time has come for that show to end. I don't want to constantly hear that we're all racists and white supremacists if we disagree with anything those on the far left say. I've totally had it with identity politics; someone needs to tell the Democratic leadership that we're all Americans. I want to hear about border control and trade deals that are fair to the American worker. I'd like to hear some respect for the military and police. I'd like to hear some respect for middle of the road Americans who work for a living and play by the rules, and stop telling everyone who chooses not to that they're victims.
In a nutshell, during the Obama years the Democratic party abandoned the middle. If you want me back, talk to me about stuff that matters, and treat me with a little respect.
You are correct:
"We should start talking more about the things we want to accomplish, like better health care and decent wages"
"We should start talking about how to invigorate the promotion of New Start Up Business, all across America"
"We should start talking about vocation and technical Training on a Massive Scale.
"We should start talking about how to fund Medical Graduates to create an array of Clinic's with a mass volume of Technology", which will drive down the cost of testing and treatments.
"We should be talking about how to put pressure on every Pharmaceuticals that uses our Universities to do research and how they use our Federal Dollars to create drugs and then over charge us for what we already paid to have produced.
As to Reasons of how Trump got in:
Actually the reasons Trump won is because Bernie did not know when to acknowledge the Democratic Nominee and turn his peoples focus into the the understand of supporting the Democratic Agenda, by bringing his people into the Party Platform's Nominee. He split the vote, and fell into the Trump trap of patronizing him to fight against Hillary. Bernie, did not stop to think... he got "high" on the adulation even when the polls told him to throw his force to the party nominee. He took his divisiveness all the way into the Convention.
Bernie's jobs was to arouse the "young voter", and "those who had stood on the outside of politics", he did not what his value of mission was. As a result he "squandered it", and it cost us to be stuck with the likes of Trump.
Had he thought ahead, he would have been a Party Leader and some of his items would have take root in the Hillary Administration. But he did not understand the difference if what is a race and what is an Administration. He go lost in the race, running from behind, as if one had a limp in a 100 yrd dash and let vanity make him think he could catch the sprinter who held the lead. As a result not only did he split the vote, his unfounded insistence to persist caused 100's of thousands in many jurisdiction not to cast a vote. His bluster gave power the bluster and mis direction that Trump and his Russian Operatives invested heavily to promote.
Deep down people knew there was nothing to "emails', it was just a convenient angle for Trump because he had nothing else, other than belligerence and derogatory commentary to feed a drama cycle, by playing on the desperation of those who became his base.
The Voice was Elizabeth Warren, she had the beam to decimate Trump, but Sander staying in diluted the message.
Republican set their battle ship to firing against Hillary, two years before the Election with Benghazi, and when truth came to bear that it was the Republican Responsibility to provide Funding for Security and other Military Attributes, then they became silent... but the objective was to try and push blemish on Hillary, and when Sander stayed in and became him-selves adversarial belligerent, and forgot the power of his role, and the value of his contribution to the Party... He resulted to leave the gates open and the Criminal walked in.
It's a Travesty that many don't want to acknowledge. See Republican even with their contempt for Trump saw that the issue was the party and its Nominee, and they turned their support over to Trump, they did it begrudgingly, but they did it.
Sander did not... He came to the Convention not with a smile and a support posture, but with a scowl and never understood the damage that he did. Now the results are showing with this Buffoon we have in Office who has insulted America from the moment he got in the race, and he capped with that insulting presentation at the Inauguration, and has made it worst every day since.
The Democrats Forward Message is within the Voice of Elizabeth Warren... She has the focus and the knowledge to deal with the complexions that confound our economics, and she does not back off of calling the people to the table. If Sanders had known his role.. he would have found within the Clinton Administration a Position that Best suits his capabilities. That would have created a Three Tiered Force against Republican Madness. Sanders role would have been more out front and in view than even that of the Vice President, if he had understood. But equally so... Hillary should have been wiser and known how to help him bring his people into the fold of the Party Stand.
The Corrupt stuff Trump talked, was nothing more than a Deflection, to keep attention from his Corruption by trying to blame it on someone else. But time has proven that the True Corruption is Trump. Now people know how his game works, they look back and realize the mistake they made.
Trump uses Put Down Commentary as his life tool... and sadly people fell for it, because it created "street drama"... now its creating Global Havoc, and damaged our Allied Relations and brought out Government into the ineffective madness, that proves he is incapable, as he can't even fill standard cabinet position.
One has to look at "Records in Truth", Hillary has a record of serving American people, Trump has a Record of Fleecing American People, American Institution and Fleecing anything that he can, any way he can.
Now people can see the "lock her up" was Trumps means to deflect from the fact he knew he should be Locked up, so he deflected that by mis-direction upon and against Hillary by the use of "drama tactics".
Now, Truth shows, he has not a clue what he is doing. He thinks the Office of President is his access to pretend that he has the power over American, that Putin has over Russia.
Your thinking is why the Dems in recent years have lost so many Governorships, Statehouses, the US Senate & House, and the White House. Neither Hillary, Bernie, or Warren speak or spoke to the middle, though Bernie might have if the party leadership hadn't gotten behind Hillary so early. Warren is far too condescending and elitist to appeal to the middle, so go with her and the Dems will lose another election. Right now there are not any sane voices getting any air time on the Democratic side. Pelosi, Schumer, and Waters are doing great harm to the party.
I am part of the middle and as I said in another post I voted for Carter, Reagan, Reagan, Bush I, Clinton I, Clinton I, Bush II, Bush II, Obama, Romney, Trump. I only got one wrong out of 11 elections. so hear me out. The Dems abandoned the middle during the Obama years and since last year's election their actions have only served to further alienate the middle. We in the middle are that silent majority that used to be talked about. We don't go to protests nor do we speak up much in the public dialog, but we do vote and right now the message we continue to get from the Democratic Party is that we're not wanted nor are our concerns their concerns.
trump lives in leftist heads 24/7. they can talk of little else.
yep and I'm glad, all Trump has to say is 'Boo' and they run screaming like a pack of chickens with their heads cut off. I started to tell the Dims why Trump won but decided not to do so. Trump will win even more Bigly in 2020, especially if they manage to reduce the illegals voting down by a few million.
As to OP question, for sure Dims have lost focus and it's helping Republicans....thanks
I liked your earlier post a lot, it was one of the first ones that actually addressed the question seriously. There is one thing I don't understand, though, and that is, how can you be okay with someone who is proud of being racist? Race and politics don't define a person, but actual racism, proudly embraced? I don't understand how get along with this person, unless it's in hopes of changing his heart.
Proud of being racist is a ridiculously inaccurate radical left statement. There is NOTHING racist about the press conference where Trump inferred, accurately, ANTIFA was also violent.
That day looked like 2 gangs from West Side Story-both were evil. If ANTIFA was about raising awareness, like MLK, they would adopt the tactics of Gandhi.
Until this post, I was respecting your ability to post coherently. Here you jumped the shark.
Trump's businesses were amongst the most diverse in his industry. He worked on many causes with Jesse Jackson. Its not like he had the record of Klansman Robert Byrd, who tried to kill the CRA.
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I think that Democrats need to stop doing identity politics. The problem though is that this would cost votes, at least in the short term, so it's unlikely that this would happen.
Focus on economic issues. I consider myself a liberal, and as such, I hold certain views. I believe in a capitalist economic system with a supplementary welfare safety net established for those who need it. I believe in freedom of choice in our daily and personal lives. I believe in the institutions of government and always looking to reform them for the better. I believe in grassroots democracy and civic action.
Currently, the Democratic party does not do a great job upholding these values. And while I know I cannot speak for anyone but myself, I genuinely believe that many liberals, and maybe some progressives (yes, they are different), feel similarly. Plenty of centrists would turn away from the GOP if they focused on issues that matter to people, and all people. I care about gay people. I despise racism and excuses for racism. But we need to focus on issues that are good for all of us, and it's easy to frame these issues in that way. Look to MLK; he spoke of civil rights. There was no question as to what group was in need of civil rights more, but we all benefit from a government that recognizes these rights. Plenty of people who are skeptical of identity politics, and therefore not voting Democrat, would return to the party if we focused on Americans, not every little interest group (while still supporting policy that helps those disenfranchised groups).
I want nothing more to be a Democrat again. But the path the party is on is one that I simply cannot support. There needs to be a re-assessment of priorities.
He has a lot of good in him, and he acts more the racist in private company yet he has gone out of his way and expense to help both brown and black people, he does not share that with many. I am thinking more show than actual substance, we are in Texas and in the country, some people think that gets them accepted, they are actually wrong. No, if someone is a true arse about race I do not tend to stay in contact, tried talking with a few and change their perspective, forget it, save your time. I am as white as they come, and fit right in and my background, German Born and West Texas raised, and the Aryan Look makes some comfortable so they say things that would shock some. I pick my battles and know that the reality is that there are just a whole lot of Ignorant People in this world. One day you may realize that the world is made up of good and evil, there does not seem to be a trend to changing that any time soon, people are who we are and we still have a long way to go as a Species. But, so long as there are good people standing up for what is right in this world then there is always hope that we will learn.
Good Luck from an Observer (For Now)
It sounds almost like he is ashamed of being kind. That makes me sad.
"One day you may realize" makes me think you believe I am very young. I'm not, unless idealism keeps you that way.
yep and I'm glad, all Trump has to say is 'Boo' and they run screaming like a pack of chickens with their heads cut off. I started to tell the Dims why Trump won but decided not to do so. Trump will win even more Bigly in 2020, especially if they manage to reduce the illegals voting down by a few million.
As to OP question, for sure Dims have lost focus and it's helping Republicans....thanks
There is a huge group of Democrats who don't want to hear what they did wrong and don't want to change.
Then there is a sizable group of purists for whom the party will never be liberal enough and there is just no pleasing them.
But I think there is a growing group that realizes the party is a mess and wants it to change. This thread has impressed me as I thought I was alone, but many have posted things I 100% agree with.
Proud of being racist is a ridiculously inaccurate radical left statement. There is NOTHING racist about the press conference where Trump inferred, accurately, ANTIFA was also violent.
That day looked like 2 gangs from West Side Story-both were evil. If ANTIFA was about raising awareness, like MLK, they were adopt the tactics of Gandhi.
Until this post, I was respecting your ability to post coherently. Here you jumped the shark.
Trump's businesses were amongst the most diverse in his industry. He worked on many causes with Jesse Jackson. Its not like he had the record of Klansman Robert Byrd, who tried to kill the CRA.
I was responding to this:
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Originally Posted by Casper in Dallas
Cannot answer for them, but yes we know several people that voted for Trump, none are racists except one and yes, have called him that to his face more than once, he does not care, he is proud of that fact. Yes, we still get along just fine, politics and even race are not the only things that define a person.
I eagerly await your apology and will accept it gladly, unless you have any other observations to make about my ability to think and express myself coherently.
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and they run screaming like a pack of chickens with their heads cut off. I started to tell the Dims why Trump won but decided not to do so.
Trump will win even more Bigly in 2020, especially if they manage to reduce the illegals voting down by a few million.
