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Old 10-04-2017, 11:56 AM
 
Location: San Diego
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Originally Posted by 2sleepy View Post
Oh yes because my grandson's 65 year old kindergarten teacher will save the entire classroom with her gun. Give me a break...why do you think teachers would want to carry guns around in the classroom or that parent's would send their kids to schools where the teachers spend the day carrying a gun around? Armed guards - sure, but who's going to pay for it?

"The price of implementing the NRA’s proposal to place an armed security guard in every school building in the nation is nearly $13 billion a year. The opportunity cost to taxpayers for fully protected schools can reach $23 billion. The cost per student approaches $500 and would take up half of federal spending on elementary and secondary education if paid for by the federal government."
http://citeseerx.ist.psu.edu/viewdoc...=rep1&type=pdf
San Diego already uses a regular beat cop at EVERY school for at least part of the day. It works. It also is a good exercise for kids to learn how to interact with LE instead of the garbage they see on tv/news.

Both of my kids were part of crossing guard. The Cops call them mini-cops and they remember that forever.
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Old 10-04-2017, 11:57 AM
 
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Originally Posted by 2sleepy View Post
"The price of implementing the NRA’s proposal to place an armed security guard in every school building in the nation is nearly $13 billion a year. The opportunity cost to taxpayers for fully protected schools can reach $23 billion. The cost per student approaches $500 and would take up half of federal spending on elementary and secondary education if paid for by the federal government."
http://citeseerx.ist.psu.edu/viewdoc...=rep1&type=pdf

I do not support putting armed security in every school, but PLEASE tell me you do not believe this.


$500 PER STUDENT to put ONE armed security guard in each school. Either the average school only has 100 students, or armed security guards make $500,000 per year.
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Old 10-04-2017, 12:00 PM
 
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Originally Posted by dman72 View Post
Gun fetishists sick hobby supersedes all other rights and should be the main focus of policy. They can't save us from the evil government if you regulate them in any way.
No, our Constitutional Rights supersede all other rights.

The fact that you consider a means of self defense, against a criminal or an out-of-control government, a "hobby" tells me all I need to know about you.
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Old 10-04-2017, 12:00 PM
 
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Originally Posted by t206 View Post
So a quick spot check tells me that your information contains inaccuracies, not sure what your source is bu here are a few corrections:

The NJ 10 year policy is incorrect, its on the books and not at all enforced, you can push back since I don't have a source, but since I've been a licensed driver here for about 30 years, I speak from experience, and I don't know anyone who has been subject to this among friends, family, or co-workers

For Ohio they don't state anything about eye tests
State of Ohio BMV

New Hampshire:
https://www.nh.gov/safety/divisions/...enewal/faq.htm
Will I be required to get an eye exam for this renewal?
If you are eligible for the online renewal process, no vision examination is required. However, you will be required to certify that your vision has not significantly declined since your last license renewal.

Montana:
https://dojmt.gov/driving/driver-licensing/#DLID13
They specifically call out vision tests for new licenses, but mention nothing about it for renewals

Long story short, I'm not sure where your info came from but I find some of it suspect. Id be happy to be proven wrong because I do think its a legitimate process to have people get vision tests, but from everything I'm coming across its certainly not "most states" and at "every" renewal.
Ohio:

Renew Your Ohio Driver's License

You must renew your OH driver's license in person at any local Ohio DPS office.
The only exceptions are if you're a member of the military or a civilian temporarily living outside of Ohio (see “ Out-of-State OH Residents and Military" below).
You'll need to:
Show documents proving your:
Birth date.
Legal name.
Social Security number (SSN).
Proof of citizenship or legal presence in the U.S.
Ohio residency.
Pass a vision test.
Submit payment for the $25.75 renewal fee.
See “Fees to Renew Your Ohio Driver's License" below for accepted payment methods.
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Old 10-04-2017, 12:03 PM
 
Location: San Jose
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Originally Posted by InformedConsent View Post
An armed gang breaks into your suburban home. You call the police. How long do you think it will take them to get there? And how do you avoid a hostage situation when they show up well after the armed criminals are already on site?

Here's what nearly everyone is missing about the police: They investigate crimes that have already been committed and enforce the law. They DO NOT prevent crimes from happening, NOR is that their responsibility.

You better be prepared to defend yourself and your loved ones against armed intruders/attackers, or kiss your asses goodbye.
Its far more likely that you will be shot by your spouse in a jealous rage or have your kids off themselves by accident then to have a scenario like what you described. Or you hear a sound in the middle of the night and think a gang of armed thugs are gonna rob and torture your family. So you do your best Rambo impression and find out the person you filled full of lead in the dark is a loved one who was coming back from a party.

Also if guns weren't prevalent you wouldn't have "armed" gangs in the first place.
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Old 10-04-2017, 12:07 PM
 
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Originally Posted by KenFresno View Post
Also if guns weren't prevalent you wouldn't have "armed" gangs in the first place.
That is the catch 22 of the whole situation, in countries where there were never any real concentration of guns the violence rates and especially fatal violence rates are much lower, but we have such a high concentration of guns here, that you need to own them to just be on a level playing field with your average random Joe. Which increases the concentration. It is a feedback loop.
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Old 10-04-2017, 12:07 PM
 
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Originally Posted by ringwise View Post
No, our Constitutional Rights supersede all other rights.

The fact that you consider a means of self defense, against a criminal or an out-of-control government, a "hobby" tells me all I need to know about you.

One gun is a hobby or means to self defense..

An arsenal is at minimum a fetish, and at worst a desire to kill a lot of people.

You aren't going to defend anyone against an out of control government with your guns, hero.
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Old 10-04-2017, 12:08 PM
 
42,732 posts, read 29,917,545 times
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Originally Posted by t206 View Post
So a quick spot check tells me that your information contains inaccuracies, not sure what your source is bu here are a few corrections:

The NJ 10 year policy is incorrect, its on the books and not at all enforced, you can push back since I don't have a source, but since I've been a licensed driver here for about 30 years, I speak from experience, and I don't know anyone who has been subject to this among friends, family, or co-workers

For Ohio they don't state anything about eye tests
State of Ohio BMV

New Hampshire:
https://www.nh.gov/safety/divisions/...enewal/faq.htm
Will I be required to get an eye exam for this renewal?
If you are eligible for the online renewal process, no vision examination is required. However, you will be required to certify that your vision has not significantly declined since your last license renewal.

Montana:
https://dojmt.gov/driving/driver-licensing/#DLID13
They specifically call out vision tests for new licenses, but mention nothing about it for renewals

Long story short, I'm not sure where your info came from but I find some of it suspect. Id be happy to be proven wrong because I do think its a legitimate process to have people get vision tests, but from everything I'm coming across its certainly not "most states" and at "every" renewal.
Montana: requires you to have a vision test to renew. If you are renewing by mail, you must submit an eye examination report.

https://media.dojmt.gov/wp-content/u...on-22-1801.pdf
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Old 10-04-2017, 12:09 PM
 
Location: San Diego
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Originally Posted by zzzSnorlax View Post
That is the catch 22 of the whole situation, in countries where there were never any real concentration of guns the violence rates and especially fatal violence rates are much lower, but we have such a high concentration of guns here, that you need to own them to just be on a level playing field with your average random Joe. Which increases the concentration. It is a feedback loop.
Most firearms are still used for hunting.
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Old 10-04-2017, 12:09 PM
 
Location: Living rent free in your head
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Originally Posted by 1AngryTaxPayer View Post
San Diego already uses a regular beat cop at EVERY school for at least part of the day. It works. It also is a good exercise for kids to learn how to interact with LE instead of the garbage they see on tv/news.
Both of my kids were part of crossing guard. The Cops call them mini-cops and they remember that forever.
At least 'part of the day' doesn't do much to stop a determined mass shooter does it?
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