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It's like it's Groundhog Day: another massacre, another littany of excuses why we can't do anything about it, much less even have a real debate about where we are as a society and what would have to change. A bunch of false, self-servingly reductive logic like "don't 'politicize' the tragedy", and "we can't have laws because someone will break them" - oh, but the victims' families have our "thoughts and prayers." Too bad, so sad!
Meanwhile, you have a President who basically made out with the NRA to get elected and a Congress looking at roll-back legislation to make it easier to acquire silencers and armor-piercing bullets - because God forbid we can't all access those! The Founding Fathers would be rolling over in their graves.
Unless you're willing to take an honest look at where we are as a society and consider some changes, you're part of the problem.. And don't DARE call yourself a Christian.
So just take your ****ty "thoughts and prayers" and shove 'em. They mean nothing. You may as well have pulled the trigger.
I'm under no illusions that anything here will ever change; these massacres are here to stay, as American as apple pie. No doubt the next guy in a few months will be up to the task of outdoing his predecessors. Thanks to Congress's impending roll back of what gun legislation there is, it will only help raise the bar.
See you again at 100.
You are correct, it will happen again. Every once in a while in a 300 million person country, someone will snap into insanity and shoot a bunch of people. That's just reality. Yet, no matter how many times it happens, it will never be correct to infringe the right of the people to bear arms. Never. So yes, it is just something we will have to endure. The number of dead will always be exceeding infinitesimally small in the scheme of things, with far more deaths daily from traffic accidents than yearly from massacres.
It's sensational, it's crazy, it will happen again every once in a while. But the right to bear arms is fundamental and must not be infringed, even if we have 2-5 massacres per year forever.
And, even if we did outlaw all guns, there would still be massacres, because humans, especially insane ones, are very good at figuring out good schemes to implement a mass killing.
So what to do about guns? NOTHING. The values and principles of the right to bear arms far exceed the occasional nightmare of an insane massacre.
Criminals are part of the problem, but not the whole problem. It's the access and the number of guns floating around, it's the patchwork of different gun control laws by each state, it's the fact ( see link in other post ) that hundreds of thousands of LEGAL guns are stolen every year in the US, and to people outside of the US it's the baffling mind bending idea that gun ownership equates to freedom.
Anyway, I'm not promoting gun control for the US anymore. As I said earlier, unfortunately it's too late.
If you're living in Vancouver Canada you've got no right promoting anything for the US.
It's like it's Groundhog Day: another massacre, another littany of excuses why we can't do anything about it, much less even have a real debate about where we are as a society and what would have to change. A bunch of false, self-servingly reductive logic like "don't 'politicize' the tragedy", and "we can't have laws because someone will break them" - oh, but the victims' families have our "thoughts and prayers." Too bad, so sad!
Let's' say for a moment you're totally right. What gun law do you suggest that would actually change anything? Remember the guns in almost all of these massacres was legally obtained. And their supply is breathtakingly abundant.
And forgetting about constitutional and federalism efforts what's your advice?
I do wonder. And feel for their families. It was a senseless tragedy, carried out by a crazy man.
None of that changes the fact that we have rights which should not be taken from us, simply because some people are willing to perpetrate unspeakable acts against their fellow human beings.
More specifically, a senseless tragedy, carried out by a crazy man, which was made possible by gun advocates enabling him to acquire weapons that allowed him to fire hundreds of rounds at a high rate , with the ability to instantly reload and keep it up.
But the weekend wackos still get to go plink cans with their semi auto rifles, so all is good.
Every time someone shoots a group of people such as Las Vegas the politicians talk more gun control.
Guns are not the problem and that's been said many times before.
In this case the guy has no record at all and therefore could buy weapons. He may have had illegally obtained class 3 machine guns that he got illegally without a permit but I would bet that if I wanted one I could find one for sale for the right price within a week.
Every seen someone stuck with a knife? I have seen two in my life.
Machetes and swords of all types have been used many times around the world too.
How many incidents of people going nuts and ramming their cars into crowds? I can think of a few in the states and terrorists overseas of course.
How many bombing incidents can you think of recently, just say in the last 20 years? Think about it.
The bottom line is that people are going to fail. They will use whatever they can get as a weapon.
You cannot blame the device that is used and try to ban it. That's just stupid.
As far as I am concerned the best way to be prepared is to be armed yourself and have the practice with that weapon. Then just hope you get the chance to use it!
Let's' say for a moment you're totally right. What gun law do you suggest that would actually change anything? Remember the guns in almost all of these massacres was legally obtained. And their supply is breathtakingly abundant.
And forgetting about constitutional and federalism efforts what's your advice?
Repeal the second amendment, ban all guns except revolvers, double-barrel shotguns, and single-shot rifles. Start the process of taking them out of circulation, stop pretending it is impossible when most countries have successfully accomplished the same.
You have the Groundhog Day movie analogy right, but in reverse.
Every time there is a tragedy like this perpetrated by an evil/deranged maggot (which is a statistical rarity), the gun control crowd pops out from underneath a rock before the bodies are even cold and buried.
Never let a tragedy go to waste, right. Isn't that what the liberal/leftist idols preach.
But don't forget, Rahm and Hillary are only repeating what their mentor Saul Alinsky said in his "Rules for Radicals" manifesto, for destroying America from within.
Maybe you are not sustained by prayer, well wishes, offers to help, etc., but it makes a difference to many people.
One giving a hug or a hand on a grieving persons shoulder does not change the facts either, but again many people find some comfort knowing they are not alone and that others are there for them.
So I suspect your and Hillary's cynicism is just the latest example of the same old tired and rejected gun control rubbish you all trot out.
Hate to break it to you but the British are NOT coming.
Besides the logistical nightmare of trying to actually invade, occupy and hold the US, one of the reasons they aren't coming is because we indeed have a rifle behind every blade of grass (falsely attributed to Yamamoto, but likely source is MacArthur's personal historian paraphrasing).
The other two scenarios I presented are indeed more likely, and the one where our government goes armed oppressor is the thinking that led to that amendment being explicitly placed and so unconditional.
Hate to break to you, but your government already oppresses you in a hundred different ways every single day, they just do it administratively and stealthily. This means they already consider you a resource for their consumption, and it isn't that hard to picture them deciding (incorrectly) that their grasp on power is absolute as is their command over the military. You, I and every other citizen having the right to keep and bear arms keeps them properly unmotivated to step up their oppression game.
For more on this concept, see: "why during the last 150 years of warfare on the European continent, no army has invaded Switzerland." Neutrality and banks are helpful, but every adult male in the country being issued badass semiautomatic rifle for civil defense (like Israel) has a lot to do with it as well. And for even more, see: "why Israel keeps not being invaded, even when surrounded out to almost 1,000 miles in any direction by entre armed populations who seek the utter annihilation of their country, religion and race."
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Gun Control, here we go again
