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Old 10-23-2017, 03:51 PM
 
Location: Live:Downtown Phoenix, AZ/Work:Greater Los Angeles, CA
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The conservatives will just say you aren't working hard enough. Maybe if you had licked the shoes of your boss he would have given you a few more crumbs.
Tried to rep you, but have done it too much lol
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Old 10-23-2017, 03:56 PM
 
Location: Colorado Springs
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Tried to rep you, but have done it too much lol
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Old 10-23-2017, 05:14 PM
 
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Conveniently ignoring the last on the list - refusing to seek positions above the McJob level. You have stated that you never wanted anything in management. Well, then you're going to live the life of a poor working stiff who makes minimum wage.
Correct.
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Old 10-23-2017, 05:15 PM
 
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In a country where all work is voluntary, nobody is exploited because they voluntarily agree to every single bit of their employment contract.
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Old 10-23-2017, 05:39 PM
 
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Post your empirical evidence of this, by all means.
The policies were most common in the fast-food industry: Of the 40 such companies covered in the report, 32 imposed some kind of hiring restriction, including Burger King, Domino’s and Pizza Hut. Workers were often not allowed to take new positions without their bosses’ written permission. (Several of the companies surveyed restricted only hiring between franchiser and franchisee.)

Other industries also forbid franchisees from hiring one another’s workers. The practice is more common when turnover rates are high, according to research by Professor Krueger and Orley C. Ashenfelter, who is also a professor at Princeton and, like Professor Krueger, a well-known labor economist. Health and fitness companies like Curves or Anytime Fitness, and maintenance services like Jiffy Lube have similar rules.

The policies were most common in the fast-food industry: Of the 40 such companies covered in the report, 32 imposed some kind of hiring restriction, including Burger King, Domino’s and Pizza Hut. Workers were often not allowed to take new positions without their bosses’ written permission. (Several of the companies surveyed restricted only hiring between franchiser and franchisee.)

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/09/27/b...od-hiring.html

A federal judge has approved a $415 million settlement that ends a lengthy legal saga revolving around allegations that Apple, Google and several other Silicon Valley companies illegally conspired to prevent their workers from getting better job offers. The case focused on a “no-poaching” pact prohibiting Apple, Google and other major employers from recruiting each other's workers. Lawyers for the employees argued the secret agreement illegally suppressed the wages of the affected workers. Judge approves settlement in Apple, Google wage case - LA Times
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Old 10-23-2017, 08:02 PM
 
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I experienced that once, in the summer of 2009, when the job market was in the toilet. I took the only job I could get at the time as a mover, and we were paid so little that all of us workers were on food stamps and Medicaid, while the two owners of the company drove late model BMWs and wore designer clothes every day. It was very demoralizing
I fail to see how that is anybody else' fault but yours.

Do companies have a moral and legal obligation to provide for you?
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Old 10-23-2017, 08:04 PM
 
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The policies were most common in the fast-food industry: Of the 40 such companies covered in the report, 32 imposed some kind of hiring restriction, including Burger King, Domino’s and Pizza Hut. Workers were often not allowed to take new positions without their bosses’ written permission. (Several of the companies surveyed restricted only hiring between franchiser and franchisee.)

Other industries also forbid franchisees from hiring one another’s workers. The practice is more common when turnover rates are high, according to research by Professor Krueger and Orley C. Ashenfelter, who is also a professor at Princeton and, like Professor Krueger, a well-known labor economist. Health and fitness companies like Curves or Anytime Fitness, and maintenance services like Jiffy Lube have similar rules.

The policies were most common in the fast-food industry: Of the 40 such companies covered in the report, 32 imposed some kind of hiring restriction, including Burger King, Domino’s and Pizza Hut. Workers were often not allowed to take new positions without their bosses’ written permission. (Several of the companies surveyed restricted only hiring between franchiser and franchisee.)

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/09/27/b...od-hiring.html

A federal judge has approved a $415 million settlement that ends a lengthy legal saga revolving around allegations that Apple, Google and several other Silicon Valley companies illegally conspired to prevent their workers from getting better job offers. The case focused on a “no-poaching” pact prohibiting Apple, Google and other major employers from recruiting each other's workers. Lawyers for the employees argued the secret agreement illegally suppressed the wages of the affected workers. Judge approves settlement in Apple, Google wage case - LA Times
So? Virtually every employer has that clause in their policy or agreement.

If you don't like it, can't you ... I don't know... work for yourself instead?
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Old 10-23-2017, 08:05 PM
 
Location: Live:Downtown Phoenix, AZ/Work:Greater Los Angeles, CA
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I fail to see how that is anybody else' fault but yours.

Do companies have a moral and legal obligation to provide for you?
Perhaps read the first part about the economy being in the toilet right after the recession? How was it my fault that the job market sucked hard for that year?

And btw, once the job market improved later that year, I did get a better job....
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Old 10-23-2017, 08:06 PM
 
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The conservatives will just say you aren't working hard enough. Maybe if you had licked the shoes of your boss he would have given you a few more crumbs.
The conservatives would say, "Why don't you work for yourself instead?"

Seriously, why don't you?
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Old 10-23-2017, 08:07 PM
 
Location: Live:Downtown Phoenix, AZ/Work:Greater Los Angeles, CA
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So? Virtually every employer has that clause in their policy or agreement.

If you don't like it, can't you ... I don't know... work for yourself instead?
Doing what? And if whatever it is fails, which is likely just based on actuary tables, what then?
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