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Old 11-01-2017, 01:56 PM
 
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If you start locking up executives of companies who hire illegals you will see illegal immigration plummet.

Problem is that the people who oppose illegal immigration worship companies and their executives, so that will NEVER happen.
Not so sure about that. I do think that said corporations have way more power than any "economic nationalist" types do, and for Trump to turn against them on that level would lead to his impeachment immediately.

With more private sector unions illegal immigration would decrease as well. It is no coincidence that when public sector unions took over the labor movement, not only did labor's attitudes towards illegal immigration change, but also the problem increased.

 
Old 11-01-2017, 01:59 PM
 
Location: The Republic of Texas
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Free Trade and slavery, have been mainstays of mand-kind, since our existence on earth.
 
Old 11-01-2017, 02:06 PM
 
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EXACTLY! And it must include jail time, fines are too easy to write off as cost of doing business.
Mandatory jail time, for sure.

Now, I do not support nationalizing companies that employ multiple numbers of illegals, but that would work for sure to end the problem. Of course that would have all sorts of very nasty externalities, like turning the US into Venezuela..
 
Old 11-01-2017, 02:31 PM
 
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...and prosecute the HELL out of American companies who employ illegals. No work, no blackmarket, means no need for a wall....
Wrong! Criminals and terrorists aren't looking for work. For those looking for work we'd have to remove all of the incentives for them to come here which includes birthright citizenship for their kids and benefits for that to work, thus the wall.
 
Old 11-01-2017, 02:34 PM
 
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If you start locking up executives of companies who hire illegals you will see illegal immigration plummet.

Problem is that the people who oppose illegal immigration worship companies and their executives, so that will NEVER happen.

Nope! Most regular law abiding Americans who oppose illegal immigration want the companies who hire illegal aliens to be punished severely. We have nothing to worship them over since they are passing the social costs of their illegal workers onto we the taxpayer not to mention that they are discriminating against Americans in their hiring practices to increase their profits. What's in it for us?
 
Old 11-01-2017, 02:35 PM
 
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Despite your hatred of the Constitution, it's here to stay
Birthright citizenship doesn't attract illegals. Employment does. (And that includes employment in illegal businesses involving drugs, prostitution, etc.)
 
Old 11-01-2017, 03:21 PM
 
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It will stop most of the human trafficking. You lock your door, right?
There are far cheaper and more effective ways to slow the vast majority of people entering for non-drug related reasons down to a trickle.
 
Old 11-01-2017, 04:51 PM
 
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Despite your hatred of the Constitution, it's here to stay

There is no hatred of the Constitution if that were the case then why do we have Amendments to it where it has been needed? Times change and thus the Amendments. The Constitution never granted birthright citizenship to babies born from illegal aliens anyway. It's merely been a PC policy. If anything that is a violation of our Constitution.
 
Old 11-01-2017, 05:24 PM
 
Location: Texas
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Latest drug cartel tactics to terrorize. Be warned: stomach turning photos.
I live within spittin' distance of the border.

What the cartels have been doing for the past decade is disgusting. I used to visit Mexico regularly, but haven't now for years.

That said, the Feds have done a commendable job of keeping all that cartel violence on the south side of the border. Although there was an incident a few years back where some sheriff's deputies saw some guys struggling with a Hummer stuck in shallow water in the Rio Grande. As I recall, when they showed up and asked the guys if they needed help, they were answered by machine gun fire.

None of the deputies was hit, but the Hummer ended up abandoned.

The wild west still lives...
 
Old 11-02-2017, 06:27 AM
 
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Nope! Most regular law abiding Americans who oppose illegal immigration want the companies who hire illegal aliens to be punished severely. We have nothing to worship them over since they are passing the social costs of their illegal workers onto we the taxpayer not to mention that they are discriminating against Americans in their hiring practices to increase their profits. What's in it for us?
I have no doubt that your comment is true. I even agree with you.

Where you are wrong though, is that the people that we (you, me, everyone) puts in office will NEVER let it happen. If you are a Trump supporter, it's even more true. Trump bows to the corporate interest. Stock markets are up because he is their friend, robbing the poor to 'feed' the rich.

His rhetoric may say otherwise, but Trump, nor any other Washington Politician (this means Dems and Reps) has the balls to punish those employers. They know that their campaign funding will dry up, and they'll loose their seat in politics. Our system is broken and currupt, and this is but one glaring example.

Trump was very (!) accurate in pointing that out. It's mostly what got him elected. Unfortunately, but not surprisingly, now that he's in office, he wants to multiply those problems by 1000x and help his chrony 1-percenters get richer while destroying the middle class. The wall is a nice distraction from the REALITY that Trump (nor any of them, D or R) are going to hold corporate America accountable.
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