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Sad, but true points.
NC is turning blue as well sadly.
Red will keep gaining 6-12 electoral votes every census, though. Red also controls 26 state governments (all chambers), which will disproportionately be the host of the 6-12 vote shift.
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Red will keep gaining 6-12 electoral votes every census, though. Red also controls 26 state governments (all chambers), which will disproportionately be the host of the 6-12 vote shift.
Not going to happen, people are moving, but I guarantee that they aren't all Repub's, probably a 50-50 split
In case you haven't noticed, rural America is dying and in the minority now, most people don't share those values anymore
The topic of this thread is regarding which party will hold a Senate majority - which whether fair or not, isn't the same as the preference of the majority of Americans. Small, rural states have an equal allocation in the Senate to large, urban states, and this will always be the case barring changes to the constitution.
In terms of voting preferences, "rural" America doesn't just include open countryside, but also small to midsized towns, and such places make up a predominant share of the vote in numerous states. These areas, as a whole, tend to be culturally traditional and in favor of a government that does less and focuses on the basics. This leads such places to give Republicans overwhelming shares of the vote, which in many states outweighs relatively modest support for Democrats in the large urban areas.
New Jersey's population is almost entirely in the New York and Philadelphia metros, or satellites of those mega-cities, so it isn't surprising that the state is solidly blue. In Virginia, the population is increasingly concentrated around the huge Washington metro area, or the relatively large (1 million +) Richmond and Norfolk/Virginia Beach metro areas - so the state is now favoring Democrats as well.
Contrast this with the Trump states being defended by Democrats next year: North Dakota and Montana (no large metro areas), Missouri (where Saint Louis and Kansas City metros have fewer residents than the rest of the state), Indiana (the majority live outside the Indianapolis and Chicago metros) and West Virginia (no large metros except the extreme outskirts of Washington DC). The math just doesn't add up for Democrats in these five states without a decent showing in their small city and rural counties. Lose by margins similar to Clinton's performance against Trump, and those Democratic senators will be history. And this is not even counting the five states (Ohio, Florida, Wisconsin, Pennsylvania and Michigan) that voted for Trump by smaller percentages.
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The topic of this thread is regarding which party will hold a Senate majority - which whether fair or not, isn't the same as the preference of the majority of Americans. Small, rural states have an equal allocation in the Senate to large, urban states, and this will always be the case barring changes to the constitution.
In terms of voting preferences, "rural" America doesn't just include open countryside, but also small to midsized towns, and such places make up a predominant share of the vote in numerous states. These areas, as a whole, tend to be culturally traditional and in favor of a government that does less and focuses on the basics. This leads such places to give Republicans overwhelming shares of the vote, which in many states outweighs relatively modest support for Democrats in the large urban areas.
New Jersey's population is almost entirely in the New York and Philadelphia metros, or satellites of those mega-cities, so it isn't surprising that the state is solidly blue. In Virginia, the population is increasingly concentrated around the huge Washington metro area, or the relatively large (1 million +) Richmond and Norfolk/Virginia Beach metro areas - so the state is now favoring Democrats as well.
Contrast this with the Trump states being defended by Democrats next year: North Dakota and Montana (no large metro areas), Missouri (where Saint Louis and Kansas City metros have fewer residents than the rest of the state), Indiana (the majority live outside the Indianapolis and Chicago metros) and West Virginia (no large metros except the extreme outskirts of Washington DC). The math just doesn't add up for Democrats in these five states without a decent showing in their small city and rural counties. Lose by margins similar to Clinton's performance against Trump, and those Democratic senators will be history. And this is not even counting the five states (Ohio, Florida, Wisconsin, Pennsylvania and Michigan) that voted for Trump by smaller percentages.
You do realize that despite winning the Presidency last year, that Pub's lost House and Senate seats, so one doesn't have to do with the other
America people are awaking out of the self delusions. Yes, some of those who voted for Trump are too awakening. The only people still clinging to Trump are the "cultist" and the Confederate styled Antebellum seekers with a vain idea of recreating such ignorance and madness. We see vividly the cultist and the right wing republican types are fighting against the fact of seeing that their delusion of the "white male dominated madness" is not going to make a resurgence in America!!!! nor use American Political Administration to try and recreate the past. They will say an do anything, to keep from acknowledging that fact.
They can quit with the narrative that Americans hates white males, as some aim to play the victim role when they have been the creators and instigators of madness, bigotry, bias, racism and greed by any means, at the expense of others for centuries.
Nobody hates white males as some general premise, SOCIETY is just not PANDERING and not Worshiping White Males and certainly will not let them dictate to the diverse members of society, so get use to it.
The days of the White Male Dictating everything IS OVER...
THE LIBERAL WHITE MALES have absolutely no more interest in being silenced and they are no longer afraid of the belligerence and attacks by Right Wing White Male White Nationalist aims and ideals, and they will not submit to Right Wing White Males conduct and acts of trying to repress and suppress and oppress everyone who is not a Right Wing White Male, and the Liberal Minded White People and Minorities are not supporting the Right Wing White Male agenda of pushing some "greed agenda against others" as if everything belongs to him.
The Old Days of White Males trying to claim the Constitution is only for them, and trying to twist the Justice system to give them "a pass" on their vile, desecration, and violence and all the other acts, including their swindle and greed chasing madness.
Learn to live in a "Diverse World and Society" where "EQUALITY" is the basis, and stop expecting exemption and first options to be set aside for you... then you won't be claiming "white males are hated"....
Society is full of white males, killing the family and mass killing people, because they have been groomed for everything to be "first options for them" and accessibility to be set aside as "exclusive for them", and when they have to live in a society where "equality of person" is the premise. And they can't compete due to their own mentality, they get anguished at want to attack everything and everyone.
We are not going to be an Antebellum Society, and We are NOT going to be a Confederate System, and the "White Male" dominance is not going to be allowed to REPRESS, OPPRESS, and they will not have the platform to "Distress" women, minorities and the poor whites into submission.
Such types of "white males" are their own worst problem, and the soon they learn to live and respect a Diverse Society... they won't be screaming and crying about being "hated" and they won't walk around with a overbearing fear that makes them obsessive about high capacity weapons. If they had not such a history of vile, they probably would not be so filled with fears that make them go into obsessions about weapons to the point they can't even respect "sensible legislation".
No one said anything about "taking guns".... the point is "regulations" and there is nothing in America, that is not "regulated"... That's the point of "Regulatory Governance" its job is to "Regulate in the Manner and Form of How and What it Governs.
Therefore, the Right Wing White Male Needs To Get Over The Past... because it is not coming back !!!!!!!!!
Trying to push this kind of narrative, saying: "The Democrats have no hope of gaining power in 2018 Senate". Well, that narrative- DID NOT WORK IN THE RECENT "ELECTIONS".... !!!!!!
More and More People are awakening to the vile and the malice minded acts of the Republican System and its Right Wing Agenda. therefore... as time marches on, More and More people will grasp the fact that the Respect of All that is America and all that the Constitution established for the Continued Progress of America is best promoted as demonstrated within, by and through the Democratic Party and the values of respect for Equality and the Dignity of Persons. The Democratic Party also respects the system of "Regulatory Governance" !!!!!
Sadly at some point the poor whites and working poor whites of the Right Wing system, will have to face the devastation Trump and the Republican System has laid out to further repress, oppress and contain them into the levels and stature as being nothing more than "the service class, as apprentices, low wage earners and living as "indentured servants" wrapped in debt, with nothing to look forward to but more debt, and chasing a line of credit as their only means of a life line, while they are relegated to the levels of nothing more than dollar stores and Walmart, as they watch their young addicted to the pharmaceuticals massive dumping of opioids in their community, and the weapons industrial complex, dumping guns in their society in every increasing capacity capability. People are seeing their kids can't afford the exaggerated cost of college and facing the every aims to discredit vocational and technical programming, and making it too, affordable. They will wake up and realize their kids are being given "worthless degree" and lied to about potential and opportunity, and they come out and find... the wealthy and well to do, have locked up the jobs for their won offspring and associates.
Yes.. at some point even the uneducated have to open their eyes... and maybe it takes more devastation to get throught that thick wall they have set up against "being made aware".
If anything, he should become humble in the fact that a society of Americans are forgiving enough to regard him with consideration and embrace, when he wakes up and get off the old delusion that he should have "first option" and "thinking he should be praised for simple existing".
The only thing this Trump Administration has done successfully is expose, the bias, the bigotry, the delusional aim of White Nationalist, and promoted racist madness, pushed to create dissension in every aspect of society, try to screw over the people with a sham of a tax game, to the point they were trying to "kill off a mass of the poor" with the Kill some People Health Bill, and they are still trying to make fools of the American General Public, with this "pander to the wealth" tax scheme they are trying to push.
This man "Trump" thinks he's still running a TV Show and his claim of Deal Making, is that he thinks he's still "bargaining with Russian to Sell Out America, for a few million here and there. As if he thinks Presiding as President is some game show programming.
The sham of a Tax Scheme, to enrich the wealthy, while America accumulates debts in increments of 100's of million and billions to add to the 20 Trillion. And all this buffoon can think of is how to "keep from paying taxes". Him and his Republican Mad Men, have told America, they would rather kill off millions with denied health care, leave the elderly and children with nothing, and make it difficult for the poor to survive.
These people have an agenda. Their idea is if they can get rid of "THE POOR" , they can then " RE-indenture the working poor" as if to make a system where the wealth can have everything to themselves. "It's no different than the Ideology of the Segregationist" who wanted everything for white people, with no regard for the fact that minorities of every ethnicity, along with poor whites "also" paid taxes to build what this nation has. The past had many places, that not only were minorities of every ethnicity not allowed, but the poor whites were not welcomed, and to ensure they did not try to barge in, their wages were kept low so they could not think to go there, because it was unaffordable.
(Trump did the same thing with his Mar-a Largo, when he doubled the cost, to ENSURE that none but the very very high level wealthy could join. It was a way of "pricing out" all but those who are of the ultra high millionaire and billionaire class would be welcomed).
Who is "THE POOR"
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The Poor = The Poor is made up of ( women, dire poor whites, minorities and many working poor whites and blacks remain being poor).
When it comes to public assistance usage, the averages go from 4:1 to 7:1 and some areas higher of white people who need and use these benefits far and above what is used by minorities.
Politicians don't lay out these numbers because it is not politically beneficial to them to do so.
Historically in American, we know that minorities have been at the deepest lower levels of poverty, but what many well to do whites don't want to acknowledge is the fact there are a great great many very very poor white people, both young and old, who meet and face some of the same impoverished devastation experience and subjected by, of which is experienced by many blacks, poor Native Americans, Asian, Latin and others.
In all these groups more focus is always placed on black poverty, because it is so utterly low and compacted in "ghetto and soon to be ghetto sections of major metro's".
This is only part of the picture of what is "The Poor" in America.
What is fiction is many poor whites who work hard labor jobs, may be able to get "CREDIT" and buy a few things for show with that credit, but their reality still sums up to be - a people ridden by debt until they get the affects of that when they are older and or injured and can no longer make the payments on their debt.
What distorts the picture is often time poor whites can get credit, which is denied to the poor women and poor minorities, and their access to credit only goes to create a delusion and illusion, when reality still remains the fact, they are poor, but the ILLUSION IS that not so many white are as dire poor as truth WOULD OTHER SHOW.
The parent is left trying to figure out how to get enough public assistance to keep a roof over their head and pay for medications and keep the lights and gas on. THIS IS A REALITY WHICH IS FAR TOO COMMON ACROSS THE AMERICAN LANDSCAPE.
People need to awaken in general - THE POOR, has never been appreciated, liked or respected by the well to do whites, and in the black areas, the same is true of the well to do blacks, who don't like or respect the dire poor blacks. The dire poor blacks are not liked by the well to do whites, the poor whites and the well to do blacks and the marginally poor whites. They have a triple whammy upon and against them.
Trump never had any business even being in the race for President... I blame the "Bernie Sander" mess for not knowing when the sit down and not knowing when to move his people to the Democratic Nominee, and "resulted" to "split the vote, and many of his followers, abstained from voting!!! I too blame the mass of "white women" as it was pointed out, who abandoned the political regard for themselves and voted for a buffoon, who told them every way he could, that they were never to be considered on measure with the white male system and establishment within America.
Then there is the mass of Confederate Minded Types, who are of the Old Antebellum Ideology, who think they can recreate a Pre-1964-Civil Rights society... "America was a mess then, and that mess led to the exodus of Industry, as in aim to block every means of economic uplift to women, minorities, and considered poor whites to be nothing more than acceptable collateral damage. Because the Right Winger, know the poor white will back the Right Wing Wealthy even if it kills them, they learned that from the nature and reality of how the Poor whites, rushed out to battle to get themselves killed, to protect the wealthy plantation owners. The same wealthy plantation owners, who saw the poor whiles as nothing more than "the service class" who would gladly accept the indenture of low wages and debt, just to delude themselves that their skin made them something more than they are.
LBJ tried in the 1960's to make it clear how sick and depraved they were when he exposed the fact.
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LBJ said: “I’ll tell you what’s at the bottom of it,”he said. “If you can convince the lowest white man he’s better than the best colored man, he won’t notice you’re picking his pocket. Hell, give him somebody to look down on, and he’ll empty his pockets for you.”
We see the reality of that madness is still present this very day. The Right Wing Evangelicals, who were staunch supporters of "segregation" for more than a 100 yrs, and the core make up of the "slave supporting society" ~ have not changed. They are today... pushing the same craziness they have promoted for all those centuries and decades.
The string of -Russian Linked Operatives in the Administration has proven they will do anything for "money" and the promotion of"bigotry and bias". they are absolutely no different that what is a modern day version of the Confederacy, this time enlisting and soliciting the help and aid of Russia, while selling out America for what amounts to "pennies" in the big scheme of what is the massive size of the American Economy.
It's an ATROCITY. The Aims and Efforts of Trump to dismantle the American Governance system, feed dissension in every corridor and insult America on the Global Stage every time he is out there, and again, pander with his praise of Putin, his "Idol", the only thing or one he idolizes more is the "Hitler Styled Dominance over Old Germany".
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You do realize that despite winning the Presidency last year, that Pub's lost House and Senate seats, so one doesn't have to do with the other
The Senate seats that flipped were in New Hampshire and Illinois, which were among the 20 states won by Clinton. Every state that had a Senate race voted for the same party as they did for president. The small net change in the House can be explained partially by redrawing the lines in Florida and Virginia, in addition to Democratic turnout rebounding from 2014 so they re-captured a few seats (Nevada, New Hampshire, Illinois districts) lost in the midterm.
I would absolutely predict further Democratic House gains in 2018, but getting to a majority won't be easy given the maps. The Senate is a different matter because the fundamental truth is there are more red-leaning than blue-leaning states today. Now if Alabama actually does the unthinkable in December and sends a Democrat to the Senate, there will be cause to re-evaluate - but I wouldn't bet on that happening.
this Roy Moore scenario will backfire in the Democrats face.
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