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The way things look now, there may be no need for a pardon of Flynn, he could very well have his charges dropped.
I'm not saying this is highly likely, but Flynn now has the right judge handling his case. This judge is known for being aggressive with government corruption, and this whole Russian conspircy theory is blowing up.
I'm sure Mr. Mueller, who is always thinking three moves ahead, has handed off sufficient evidence to prosecutors in New York, Virginia, and Florida to press charges against all of the ones already charged in case he is fired and Trump pardons them for federal crimes.
I wouldn't hope for a Chrismas Miracle. This ain't the movies.
The way things look now, there may be no need for a pardon of Flynn, he could very well have his charges dropped.
I'm not saying this is highly likely, but Flynn now has the right judge handling his case. This judge is known for being aggressive with government corruption, and this whole Russian conspircy theory is blowing up.
Flynn has already pled guilty. The judge will only be necessary for sentencing.
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Originally Posted by TEPLimey
Yes, usually charges are dropped after guilty pleas.
Seriously.
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Originally Posted by wrecking ball
can you cite any legal authority that agrees with your theory?
If Mr. Flynn had evidence he was willing to provide in return for pleading guilty to a lesser charge of lying to the FBI, he has probably already given sworn testimony.
There is no evidence that Flynn is providing anything. Maybe he is, but there is no evidence of that.
It has been pointed out many times, you don't have a key witness plead to lying to the FBI, not if your case relies on this person's testimony, or evidence they may have provided.
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Originally Posted by TEPLimey
Yes, usually charges are dropped after guilty pleas.
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Originally Posted by TheCityTheBridge
Flynn has already pled guilty. The judge will only be necessary for sentencing.
Not if the evidence is fruit of the poisonous tree, which could very well be the case here.
The DOJ is still stonewalling subpoenas, and refuses to disclose to congress what was in the FISA warrant application. Couple this with the extreme bias people handling the case have shown, it is possible that Flynn could walk away free from all of this.
Flynn, a republican, lies to the FBI and all hell breaks out. Anyone see double standards here?
Flynn isn't really in deep water because he lied. That's the softball charge that they gave him when Mueller's team made a deal with Flynn.
The FBI has a lot of other stuff on Flynn as well as his son. Flynn made a deal with the FBI to forego the other charges against Flynn and his son. Flynn accepted the guilty plea for lying only to get out of the other stuff. In turn for getting out of the other stuff, Flynn has to snitch. Tell his story. Remember when Flynn's attorney said he had a "story to tell"?
So no, they really aren't simply going after Flynn for lying. Absolutely not. That's his gift from the FBI for singing like a canary. The gift is the lessor charge - the guilty plea for lying.
The FBI lied outright to congress that there were no memos on the tarmac meeting -- no penalties
Clinton lied to the FBI repeatedly about her classified emails -- no penalties
Clinton destroyed much evidence and hardware AFTER it was subpoenaed and then lied about destroying it which are both highly illegal -- no penalties
Three of Clinton's close associates (Cheryl Mills, Huma et al) were shown to have lied to to the FBI no penalties
Flynn, a republican, lies to the FBI and all hell breaks out. Anyone see double standards here?
In Flynn's case, the FBI has said they don't believe he intended to lie, but that he lied none-the-less. Let that sink in, he didn't even intend to lie.
Flynn isn't really in deep water because he lied. That's the softball charge that they gave him when Mueller's team made a deal with Flynn.
The FBI has a lot of other stuff on Flynn as well as his son. Flynn made a deal with the FBI to forego the other charges against Flynn and his son. Flynn accepted the guilty plea for lying only to get out of the other stuff. In turn for getting out of the other stuff, Flynn has to snitch. Tell his story. Remember when Flynn's attorney said he had a "story to tell"?
So no, they really aren't simply going after Flynn for lying. Absolutely not. That's his gift from the FBI for singing like a canary. The gift is the lessor charge - the guilty plea for lying.
What else did they have, failing to file under FARA? That's the DC equivalent of jaywalking.
This is all a moot point anyhow if we find out the FBI used the Russian 'dossier' for get the FISA warrant that was used to wire tap Flynn. The Russian 'dossier' may not have been the basis for the FISA warrant, but if it was, this case is over. It seems highly suspect that the FBI will not show the congressional investigators the FISA application and that the judge in Flynn's case who quietly recused himself last week turned out to also be a FISA court judge.
In Flynn's case, the FBI has said they don't believe he intended to lie, but that he lied none-the-less. Let that sink in, he didn't even intend to lie.
I haven't heard, read or otherwise seen that anywhere.
If the FISA warrant was acquired using the unverified 'dossier', then all of this is going to be thrown out. Flynn, Manafort, the whole crew will walk and then sue the living daylights out of the FBI.
If it turns out the FISA warrant wasn't acquired using the unverified 'dossier', then Flynn still has a great shot at getting his case throw out due to the fact that he was not advised that he was being formally interviewed, had no attorney present and that Peter Strzok, the now demoted Trump-hater, personally handled Flynn's case.
I don't think Trump is going to have to pardon anyone.
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