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We have 800 bases around the world and a 597 billion -trillion dollar defense budget a year but we cant stop attacks like 9/11 that killed close to 3,000 people and burned and maimed over 6,000 and caused at least $10 billion in infrastructure and property damage in a morning ,yet in that sick huge military budget we cant find money to protect our borders??
Israel cut its illegal immigration rate by "99 percent" by constructing a 143-mile fence along its southern border? Yet we cant protect our southern border with the greatest military budget in the world by a huge margin ?
We are ruled by criminally incompetent fools in in Washington.
But Americans are fine with the present location of our embassy, and no American gives a hoot about moving it. What Israel wants is here nor there. My bowl of soup is more important than what they want. If it’s that important to Israel, tell them to build the embassy themselves and evict us out of the other one. I’m fine with that. But there is no good reason to move it otherwise. This isn’t about Arab appeasement...this is about Israeli appeasement. You’ve got it backwards.
Of course, you can make me concede and bow out of the argument by telling me how moving the embassy is in our national interests. Explain how John Q. Desertdetroiter in Arizona benefits from moving the embassy. How does this make my life better and how does it advance the international interests of my country? What do I (we) gain by appeasing Israelis and angering the Arabs.
As it stands, the Israelis will be no less an ally if we don’t move, and the Arabs won’t be agitated. It’s a win-win to remain right where we are and ignore the issue.
The (non) logic of your post begins AND ends with your claim that what Israel wants with regard to the location of the US embassy in THEIR country is of no importance, and that putting our embassy in the capital city of Israel, as we do with every other embassy to every other country, is somehow Jewish appeasement.
The claim that we are appeasing them by doing what we do in every other country is laughable, and ought to embarrass you for posting such silly nonsense.
Israel would be no less an ally if we stayed in Tel Aviv, but that's not the issue. Not letting an uncivilized, backward, and violent people dictate the location of an embassy that is not in their country and not about their country is the issue. The Arabs have no say in the matter. Its as simple as that. It isn't their embassy. It isn't in their country. Its none of their business, and there is no logical reason to keep appeasing them over the issue. Let them grow up and deal with the reality of what THEY themselves have created, first through their greed in selling their lands to the Jews ( yes, the Jews legally bought the lands from the Arabs who sold them in large part worthless land at outrageous prices out of greed ) , and then through rejecting their own country when it was offered to them in 1948.
The only people to blame for this situation are the Palestinians and other Arabs.
Uhhhh Gawd...you folks and your anti Palestinian platitudes.
“Loved their children more than they hate Jews.”
Americans like yourself hate Palestinians, and they’ve never done ANTHING to you. Most of you have never even met an Arab, let alone a Palestinian.
You’re taking on some other group’s hate based on politics that don’t even affect your lives. What the Palestinians do with their resources has no bearing on your life whatsoever. No Palestinian has ever touched a hair on your head, so what’s up with the enmity?
Platitudes?
When you are talking about people who send their children into markets with bombs strapped to them, use children as human shields, and purposely store and shoot rockets from elementary schools, it is more than just platitudes.
Uhhhh Gawd...you folks and your anti Palestinian platitudes.
“Loved their children more than they hate Jews.”
Americans like yourself hate Palestinians, and they’ve never done ANTHING to you. Most of you have never even met an Arab, let alone a Palestinian.
You’re taking on some other group’s hate based on politics that don’t even affect your lives. What the Palestinians do with their resources has no bearing on your life whatsoever. No Palestinian has ever touched a hair on your head, so what’s up with the enmity?
So in your view people are only allowed to have opinions about things that directly affect their lives?
So when you see a mass shooting where some whacko has executed scores of children, you probably just shrug your shoulders and say to yourself "well he hasn't done anything to me, I shouldn't judge him -- he might be a nice guy". Right?
Do you also have warm (or at least neutral) feelings towards the 9/11 perpetrators -- after all they haven't done anything to you personally?
So in your view people are only allowed to have opinions about things that directly affect their lives?
So when you see a mass shooting where some whacko has executed scores of children, you probably just shrug your shoulders and say to yourself "well he hasn't done anything to me, I shouldn't judge him -- he might be a nice guy". Right?
Do you also have warm (or at least neutral) feelings towards the 9/11 perpetrators -- after all they haven't done anything to you personally?
Also it's fine for the "world" to have opinions about Israel but not Americans or our President? Give me break.
I suppose one way to pay for the embassy would be to deduct it from the annual aid we give to Israel. As opposed to giving 3 billion, we give 2 billion and use 1 billion to build a 2nd embassy.
We could even ask them if they prefer to keep the 1 billion, or for US to spend it on the 2nd embassy.
Uhhhh Gawd...you folks and your anti Palestinian platitudes.
“Loved their children more than they hate Jews.”
Americans like yourself hate Palestinians, and they’ve never done ANTHING to you. Most of you have never even met an Arab, let alone a Palestinian.
You’re taking on some other group’s hate based on politics that don’t even affect your lives. What the Palestinians do with their resources has no bearing on your life whatsoever. No Palestinian has ever touched a hair on your head, so what’s up with the enmity?
This is where Westerners miss the point. The problem is not with the Palestinian people themselves. It is their leaders and the close knit followers to them. The Palestinian people have never had a real choice in what happens. If Fatah (PLO) and Hamas were completely removed completely, then there is a chance for negotiation to move forward. But that would require their closed education system to be opened up to hear what the outside world is really like. If we look at people who've left closed communities, they enjoy the freedom but are reluctant to trust the outside world. Depending on their ages an entire generation may have to pass.
If one looks at me, I came from a closed Hassidic (easy to surf the net to see how closed it is) system. At 15 I found a way out, go live with a secular family, and go to a secular HS (with many long days of tutoring). I graduated with honors. But that wasn't enough to shake the Hassidic out of me. I thought about how I could get a crash course into the world (no internet at the time). Thus I chose the military and through library research chose the most diverse branch. The US Marines. Anyone online at CD, knows that wherever they came from the US Marines is a culture shock. The US Marines has it's system of breaking people down and rebuilding people to be Marines. But we as people had to get over what our assumptions were on people we've never met. A few years past and I became more worldly. In 1983 I met my first Arabs and in 1983 I was introduced into being on the receiving end of a Terrorist attack.
Look up my history and you'll read that I've been living/working in the Arab Middle East for the past ~14 years (vacationing in Israel doesn't count).
I suppose one way to pay for the embassy would be to deduct it from the annual aid we give to Israel. As opposed to giving 3 billion, we give 2 billion and use 1 billion to build a 2nd embassy.
We could even ask them if they prefer to keep the 1 billion, or for US to spend it on the 2nd embassy.
Are you still stuck on the money aspect? Were you complaining this much when the new consulate was built in 2010? Get yourself a reality check. There are no funds allocated to this and it's chance of being built is at least 8 years from now.
As to the $3 Billion Israel gets, it's a debit card that must be spent in the US in the Military sector. Taking $1 Billion out causes unemployment in one US sector and creates employment in other US sectors.
Are you still stuck on the money aspect? Were you complaining this much when the new consulate was built in 2010? Get yourself a reality check. There are no funds allocated to this and it's chance of being built is at least 8 years from now.
As to the $3 Billion Israel gets, it's a debit card that must be spent in the US in the Military sector. Taking $1 Billion out causes unemployment in one US sector and creates employment in other US sectors.
Yes, I am concerned about spending $1 Billion extra especially now when tax revenues will fall due to the tax cuts.
I am glad you mention the consulate, because it is actually more of an embassy than a consulate. Typically a consulate reports to the embassy, and the embassy reports to the State Department, but the Jerusalem consulate is an exception, because it reports directly to the State Dept.
This being the case, we could simply close the Tel Aviv embassy and call the Jerusalem consulate the embassy. $1 billion saved.
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