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Old 12-07-2017, 07:47 AM
 
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I would have to read the Bill to know the true impact, there are many questions to be answered such as will state laws come into effect at all?
I am a big supporter in the 2nd A and have a CCW as does my wife, and like the idea that I can still carry in any State I travel to. With that said I would still probably avoid States that have an overly paranoid outlook when it come to firearms, federal law or not I have the feeling you could still end spending time in some local jail and spending thousands on an attorney to get released.
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Old 12-07-2017, 08:01 AM
 
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The article does not explain what it means. If I have a license in Florida, does it mean I can carry in NYC?
These links might help a bit, although it think they are state specific. You have to search the laws and reciprocol agreements(between Florida and other state) for each place you travel. Then check the individual city laws, such as NYC. It's a pain.

Concealed Weapon License Reciprocity / Concealed Weapon License / Licensing / Divisions & Offices / Home - Florida Department of Agriculture & Consumer Services

https://www.usacarry.com/concealed_c...city_maps.html
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Old 12-07-2017, 08:07 AM
 
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Here's the big picture.

States rights? What about your individual constitutional rights?

Here's an example. I left NY with no intentions to ever return. I've skipped friends weddings etc.
I have a CCW in Florida. My weapons are legal in Florida. Permit is good to PA. I cross into NY and carry... on my person... I am subject to felony weapons charges?
No. It's a Constitutional right to keep and bear arms. If it's legal here. It's legal everywhere a United States flag flies.


It's not fair to ignore the laws that each state has set up either. That's where it can get confusing.
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Old 12-07-2017, 08:12 AM
 
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It's not fair to ignore the laws that each state has set up either. That's where it can get confusing.
A magazine that can hold more than 10 rounds is fair for you to possess in your state, go to NY even if there are only 10 in the magazine, just because that magazine has the capacity to hold 11 or more, you're a felon in NY and that's fair?
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Old 12-07-2017, 08:16 AM
 
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I would have to read the Bill to know the true impact, there are many questions to be answered such as will state laws come into effect at all?
I am a big supporter in the 2nd A and have a CCW as does my wife, and like the idea that I can still carry in any State I travel to. With that said I would still probably avoid States that have an overly paranoid outlook when it come to firearms, federal law or not I have the feeling you could still end spending time in some local jail and spending thousands on an attorney to get released.
1. An amendment offered by Mr. Nadler to prohibit individuals convicted of any violent crime, including misdemeanors, from carrying a concealed firearm was defeated by a roll call vote of 12 to 15.

2. An amendment offered by Mr. Deutch to allow a state to prohibit the carrying of a concealed firearm on private property was defeated by a roll call vote of 10 to 14.

3. An amendment offered by Ms. Jackson Lee to prohibit individuals convicted of domestic violence or stalking from being covered by the bill was defeated by a roll call vote of 8 to 16

4. An amendment offered by Ms. Lofgren to require that permit holders acquire concealed carry permits in their home state was defeated by a roll call vote of 8 to 17

5. An amendment offered by Mr. Cohen to prohibit those under the age of 21 from carrying a concealed firearm was defeated by a roll call vote of 8 to 17.

6. An amendment offered by Mr. Issa to permit a federal judge to carry a concealed firearm passed by a roll call vote of 18 to 6.

7. An amendment offered by Mr. Cicilline to limit the number of rounds of ammunition in the firearm being carried pursuant to this bill was defeated by a roll call vote of 7 to 17.

8. An amendment offered by Mr. King to clarify that Members of Congress were included among those permitted to carry a concealed firearm pursuant to this bill was defeated by a roll call vote of 10 to 11.

9. An amendment offered by Mr. Swalwell to allow states to limit the eligibility of persons to carry a concealed firearm in their states was defeated by a roll call vote of 7 to 12.

10. An amendment offered by Mr. Swalwell to prohibit a person from carrying a concealed firearm who has been convicted of a misdemeanor offense of assaulting or impersonating a police officer failed by a roll call vote of 8 to 15

11. An amendment offered by Mr. Deutch to prohibit a person from carrying a concealed firearm who has been convicted of animal cruelty during the previous five years failed by a roll call vote of 8 to 12.

12. An amendment offered by Mr. Raskin to require states to establish a permit hotline in order for their permit holders to be able to carry across state lines failed by a roll call vote of 8 to 17.

13. An amendment offered by Ms. Jackson Lee to prohibit a person from carrying a concealed firearm who has been convicted of a hate crime failed by a roll call vote of 8 to 19.

14. An amendment offered by Mr. Schneider to prohibit a person from carrying a concealed firearm who has been convicted of a second misdemeanor offense of driving under the influence within the previous five years failed by a roll call vote of 9 to 18.

15. An amendment offered by Mr. Swalwell to require states to implement private sale background checks before their permits would be recognized failed by a roll call vote of 10 to 18.

16. Motion to report H.R. 38 favorably to the House. Approved 19 to 11.
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Old 12-07-2017, 08:17 AM
 
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A magazine that can hold more than 10 rounds is fair for you to possess in your state, go to NY even if there are only 10 in the magazine, just because that magazine has the capacity to hold 11 or more, you're a felon in NY and that's fair?

That's a good question but if it's their law like whatever their speed limit is IF you break it you pay the penalty. Having one more round in a gun though shouldn't make one a felon. That's a bit much but then again, at what point does it make one a felon? If your caught more then once, twice?
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Old 12-07-2017, 08:19 AM
 
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That's a good question but if it's their law like whatever their speed limit is IF you break it you pay the penalty. Having one more round in a gun though shouldn't make one a felon. That's a bit much but then again, at what point does it make one a felon? If your caught more then once, twice?
That's what I'm saying... CA MA NY CT have some of the most asinine gun laws ever.

You become a felon for mere arbitrary features? Not actions?
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Old 12-07-2017, 08:21 AM
 
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Here ya go reed.

NY Army Veteran Charged With Illegal Pistol Magazines, Faces 21 Years In Prison - The Firearm BlogThe Firearm Blog

7 years per magazine...
Based on mere capacity
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Old 12-07-2017, 08:25 AM
 
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1. An amendment offered by Mr. Nadler to prohibit individuals convicted of any violent crime, including misdemeanors, from carrying a concealed firearm was defeated by a roll call vote of 12 to 15.

2. An amendment offered by Mr. Deutch to allow a state to prohibit the carrying of a concealed firearm on private property was defeated by a roll call vote of 10 to 14.

3. An amendment offered by Ms. Jackson Lee to prohibit individuals convicted of domestic violence or stalking from being covered by the bill was defeated by a roll call vote of 8 to 16

4. An amendment offered by Ms. Lofgren to require that permit holders acquire concealed carry permits in their home state was defeated by a roll call vote of 8 to 17

5. An amendment offered by Mr. Cohen to prohibit those under the age of 21 from carrying a concealed firearm was defeated by a roll call vote of 8 to 17.

6. An amendment offered by Mr. Issa to permit a federal judge to carry a concealed firearm passed by a roll call vote of 18 to 6.

7. An amendment offered by Mr. Cicilline to limit the number of rounds of ammunition in the firearm being carried pursuant to this bill was defeated by a roll call vote of 7 to 17.

8. An amendment offered by Mr. King to clarify that Members of Congress were included among those permitted to carry a concealed firearm pursuant to this bill was defeated by a roll call vote of 10 to 11.

9. An amendment offered by Mr. Swalwell to allow states to limit the eligibility of persons to carry a concealed firearm in their states was defeated by a roll call vote of 7 to 12.

10. An amendment offered by Mr. Swalwell to prohibit a person from carrying a concealed firearm who has been convicted of a misdemeanor offense of assaulting or impersonating a police officer failed by a roll call vote of 8 to 15

11. An amendment offered by Mr. Deutch to prohibit a person from carrying a concealed firearm who has been convicted of animal cruelty during the previous five years failed by a roll call vote of 8 to 12.

12. An amendment offered by Mr. Raskin to require states to establish a permit hotline in order for their permit holders to be able to carry across state lines failed by a roll call vote of 8 to 17.

13. An amendment offered by Ms. Jackson Lee to prohibit a person from carrying a concealed firearm who has been convicted of a hate crime failed by a roll call vote of 8 to 19.

14. An amendment offered by Mr. Schneider to prohibit a person from carrying a concealed firearm who has been convicted of a second misdemeanor offense of driving under the influence within the previous five years failed by a roll call vote of 9 to 18.

15. An amendment offered by Mr. Swalwell to require states to implement private sale background checks before their permits would be recognized failed by a roll call vote of 10 to 18.

16. Motion to report H.R. 38 favorably to the House. Approved 19 to 11.
I can see why many of them failed, because those with violent criminal convictions, felons, abusers are not issued a CCW to begin with in any State that I know of. Others make no sense and never have, such as magazine capacity, especially since we are talking handguns here, really hard to conceal carry with a 30round mag, the majority will be 15 rounds or less.
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Old 12-07-2017, 08:27 AM
 
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Some States have some Stupid laws, if he is actually sentenced I would like to know how society became safer because of it.
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