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Old 12-07-2017, 05:42 PM
 
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seems to me each state should have their own laws..... i get gun nuts think guns are special but so are states.
That's all well and good except when it comes to individual civil liberties.

GREAT! So states are special. I'll go along with your little game.

So according to you some states can still allow their citizens to own slaves?

Or arrest anyone who drives a certain type vehicle they deem unacceptable from using their roads? Anyone who crosses a particular state line with said vehicle(s) will have their vehicle confiscated and the occupant(s) charged with a felony. All in the name of climate change.

How about if a state wants to ban certain religious beliefs? Or freedom of expression? Anyone who crosses a state line with a bumper sticker or religious symbol that any particular state deems unacceptable will have their vehicle confiscated and the occupant(s) charged with a felony.

Anyone caught listening to an out of state radio station, or watching an out of state TV program or is caught reading or in possession of a newspaper or other materials that any particular state deems unacceptable will also be charged with a felony.

Or how about if a state decides that only one particular race of people are allowed within their borders? If you don't belong to that race and find yourself within that particular state's borders you will be charged with a felony. Depending on the state, they can post signs at the border: "No Whites allowed" "No Blacks allowed" "No Hispanics Allowed" "No Asians Allowed" take your pick.

Now do you see how ridiculous your argument is? States are special alright, but we are still the United States of America not Europe, South America or Asia which is a conglomeration of separate countries. Some of which have had and still do have the most oppressive regimes in history. Is that the Left wing nut's vision for America?

Every citizen of this country has certain certain unalienable rights that have been "endowed by our creator" regardless of which state they reside in. Those unalienable rights are spelled out in the first 10 amendments in the Constitution as the "Bill of Rights".

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Old 12-07-2017, 05:49 PM
 
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why would anyone expect anything else? Of course the most violent areas will have the lowest rates of legal anything....
Are you trying to suggest the majority of residents there are criminals?
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Old 12-07-2017, 06:00 PM
 
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Republicans believe in "state's rights" only when Democrats are in office. When Republicans are in control of all three branches of government, they are all about Federal rule and forcing blue states to bow to red state laws. Just remember - what goes around comes around.
In case you missed it, I slightly edited my previous post just for you:
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That's all well and good except when it comes to individual civil liberties.

So according to you some states can still allow their citizens to own slaves?

Or arrest anyone who drives a certain type vehicle they deem unacceptable from using their roads? Anyone who crosses a particular state line with said vehicle(s) will have their vehicle confiscated and the occupant(s) charged with a felony. All in the name of climate change.

How about if a state wants to ban certain religious beliefs? Or freedom of expression? Anyone who crosses a state line with a bumper sticker or religious symbol that any particular state deems unacceptable will have their vehicle confiscated and the occupant(s) charged with a felony.

Anyone caught listening to an out of state radio station, or watching an out of state TV program or is caught reading or in possession of a newspaper or other materials that any particular state deems unacceptable will also be charged with a felony.

Or how about if a state decides that only one particular race of people are allowed within their borders? If you don't belong to that race and find yourself within that particular state's borders you will be charged with a felony. Depending on the state, they can post signs at the border: "No Whites allowed" "No Blacks allowed" "No Hispanics Allowed" "No Asians Allowed" take your pick.

Now do you see how ridiculous your argument is? States are special alright, but we are still the United States of America not Europe, South America or Asia which is a conglomeration of separate countries. Some of which have had and still do have the most oppressive regimes in history. Is that the Left wing nut's vision for America?

Every citizen of this country has certain certain unalienable rights that have been "endowed by our creator" regardless of which state they reside in. Those unalienable rights are spelled out in the first 10 amendments in the Constitution as the "Bill of Rights".
You'd better be careful what you wish for. "Just remember - what goes around comes around".
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Old 12-07-2017, 06:01 PM
 
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how about NYC or Boston.
How about NYC?
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Among New York

MEN and women. Democrats and Republicans. Doctors, lawyers, merchants and moguls. A remarkable, if relatively small, cross-section of New Yorkers legally own handguns, according to public records obtained by The New York Times.


Among the more than 37,000 people licensed to have a handgun in the city are dozens of boldface names and public figures: prominent business leaders, elected officials, celebrities, journalists, judges and lawyers.
Let's be honest here, how you can support that?

John Stossel did not make the cut.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1Mi-LXipDo8
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Old 12-07-2017, 06:13 PM
 
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How about NYC?


Let's be honest here, how you can support that?

John Stossel did not make the cut.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1Mi-LXipDo8
Yeah, it's okay for me but none for thee.

I'll bet you'll find that a lot of the rich, famous and politically well connected residents of NYC are staunch gun control advocates along with NYC's both current and past police commissioners. What makes them so God damned special?
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Old 12-07-2017, 06:17 PM
 
Location: The Republic of Texas
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The House approved a bill on Wednesday that would ease legal restrictions for carrying concealed firearms across state lines – a move pushed by the National Rifle Association that comes just weeks after mass shootings in Las Vegas and Texas.




On a mostly party-line vote, the measure easily passed, 231-198, although 14 Republicans voted no. Six Democrats voted for the so-called reciprocity measure, which would allow a gun owner with the proper permit in any state to carry a concealed firearm to another state where it is also legal.




https://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-...ss-state-lines




As someone who wants to travel full time within the next couple of years I like this. I'm sure there ae some serious downsides to this bill as well. Let me get some coffee before I can think of some.


A privilege like driving, that kills way more Americans of all ages than guns, is accepted everywhere in the USA and pretty much all over the world.
You would think, our god given rights had a higher acceptability in the USA.
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Old 12-07-2017, 06:18 PM
 
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Sounds like a great idea. Everyone should be able to carry a gun were ever they are. You mess with me or my family while we are on vacation, you better think twice mugger.
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Old 12-07-2017, 06:22 PM
 
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How about NYC?


Let's be honest here, how you can support that?

John Stossel did not make the cut.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1Mi-LXipDo8
Thx for posting that. Interesting.
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Old 12-07-2017, 06:24 PM
 
Location: Just over the horizon
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It's not fair to ignore the laws that each state has set up either. That's where it can get confusing.
When you have a drivers license and drive in another state, you still have to abide by the traffic laws of the state you're in.

You can't drive 70 mph in a state that has a 65 mph limit just because your state has a 70 mph limit.

Thats how it's being proposed as far as I know.

A state couldn't keep you from carrying altogether but the laws on where you can and what types of weapons/number of rounds will still vary from state to state.
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Old 12-07-2017, 06:26 PM
 
Location: Upstate NY
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And Joy Behar, who said she feels "safer in NY () because of its strict gun laws," was freaking out about that today.
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