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Old 12-07-2017, 07:14 AM
 
Location: Honolulu/DMV Area/NYC
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So much for states rights. A major funder of the GOP wants to open the door for crazies to carry across state lines to export mass killings.

I am a gun owner.
And what other constitutional rights do you think appropriate to stop at the state border? Should NY be able to regulate speech in a manner different from Louisiana? Should NJ be able to do away with the right to trial by jury in criminal trials? Should New Mexico be able to deny birthright citizenship? I hope you see how silly the argument is. State rights must never be allowed to usurp what are constitutional, fundamental rights to be enjoyed by all Americans. Constitutional rights do not end at the border of a state.
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Old 12-07-2017, 07:21 AM
 
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The Second Amendment is in place in case the politicians ignore the others.

Quote James Madison

“Oppressors can tyrannize only when they achieve a standing army, an enslaved press, and a disarmed populace.”

This however all boils down to two facts that gun control proponents
have not been able to address:

(1) There is a direct relationship between restrictive gun control laws and increased crime. Almost all gun control laws have been statistically proven to be linked to increases in crime.

(2) Criminals by definition do not obey the law. Using a firearm to harm another is already illegal.
Proponents might want to spend more time thinking about the facts, and less time writing about feelings that won't fix the problem.

The United States Constitution (c) 1791. All Rights reserved.
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Old 12-07-2017, 07:24 AM
 
Location: Florida
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It will of course depend on the wording of the final bill, however from what I understand, it will be like having a drivers licence.

But it will not effect state laws about the types of weapons that can be carried or where they can or can't be carried.

So, if one state allows you to conceal carry a Mac10 into a movie theater, it doesn't mean that all States will have to allow it.
So, basically no one knows what the bill would do. I am guessing the Congress didn't know either.
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Old 12-07-2017, 07:27 AM
 
Location: Central NJ and PA
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I haven't read the article yet, but have a couple thoughts. This will have a much harder time passing the senate. There are a handful of Democrats from states that have a high percentage of gun owners. Do we have a good idea of which Dems in the Senate might vote 'yes'?
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Old 12-07-2017, 07:27 AM
 
Location: PSL
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A drivers license is nationally recognized. I guarantee the background check on my CCW was more thorough than for a drivers license...
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Old 12-07-2017, 07:29 AM
 
Location: Just over the horizon
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So, basically no one knows what the bill would do. I am guessing the Congress didn't know either.
Like any bill, it goes on to the Senate, where they will probably modify it.

So as usual, getting all worked up before the fat lady sings is an exercise in speculation for speculation's sake.

But hey....don't let me stop your fear mongering.
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Old 12-07-2017, 07:32 AM
 
Location: PSL
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And what other constitutional rights do you think appropriate to stop at the state border? Should NY be able to regulate speech in a manner different from Louisiana? Should NJ be able to do away with the right to trial by jury in criminal trials? Should New Mexico be able to deny birthright citizenship? I hope you see how silly the argument is. State rights must never be allowed to usurp what are constitutional, fundamental rights to be enjoyed by all Americans. Constitutional rights do not end at the border of a state.
I wonder if Cuomo would try to get state troopers to issue Safe act felonies to out of state residents who carry in NY
More than 10 rounds magazines. Factory capacity Glock magazines are 15 and 17.

AR pistol under a jacket. It's concealed. it's an "assault rifle".

No better call the ATF and see what the classifications are sunshine.
Not a rifle.
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Old 12-07-2017, 07:35 AM
 
Location: Central NJ and PA
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After reading, it looks like one or two of the 'no' votes from Republicans were (ostensibly) due to other provisions in the bill; specifically the bit about reporting health issues. It's so aggravating that we can never pass legislation on its own. This case is even more 'ugh' because the Democrats that voted 'no' were never going to vote for it anyway, no matter what else you attached to it.
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Old 12-07-2017, 07:36 AM
 
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Ok, had my coffee now. Should the law state that you can only carry said caliber handgun? Again that's a whole different debate as well. This could and should take years to sort out there are so many "what if questions on this topic. Do shop owners, restaurants, etc. Do they have the right to ask if your carrying?
Can they refuse to let you in of you are? These are just a few questions that should be asked I'm sure there are hundreds more as well. It would be so easy to over think this bill.


I'm not sure that I see this bill passing because of these and so many other questions.


I am a gun owner myself they don't leave the house unless we go to the gun range. My wife and I do plan to get a CWP here soon though. As I said in my OP being able to carry one while we travel would be nice knowing if someone broke into our camper while we're in it. Maybe making castle law would be the answer. Perhaps being able to have a gun in your car/camper/boat would be enough.




Again so many questions need to be answered first.
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Old 12-07-2017, 07:42 AM
 
Location: PSL
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Ok, had my coffee now. Should the law state that you can only carry said caliber handgun? Again that's a whole different debate as well. This could and should take years to sort out there are so many "what if questions on this topic. Do shop owners, restaurants, etc. Do they have the right to ask if your carrying?
Can they refuse to let you in of you are? These are just a few questions that should be asked I'm sure there are hundreds more as well. It would be so easy to over think this bill.


I'm not sure that I see this bill passing because of these and so many other questions.


I am a gun owner myself they don't leave the house unless we go to the gun range. My wife and I do plan to get a CWP here soon though. As I said in my OP being able to carry one while we travel would be nice knowing if someone broke into our camper while we're in it. Maybe making castle law would be the answer. Perhaps being able to have a gun in your car/camper/boat would be enough.




Again so many questions need to be answered first.
Here's the big picture.

States rights? What about your individual constitutional rights?

Here's an example. I left NY with no intentions to ever return. I've skipped friends weddings etc.
I have a CCW in Florida. My weapons are legal in Florida. Permit is good to PA. I cross into NY and carry... on my person... I am subject to felony weapons charges?
No. It's a Constitutional right to keep and bear arms. If it's legal here. It's legal everywhere a United States flag flies.
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