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Old 12-17-2017, 05:56 PM
 
Location: 89434
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How much tax payer money is wasted on policing the rest of the world using our military?
Without the military, we would be in labor camps ran by China, North Korea, or Russia.
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Old 12-17-2017, 06:06 PM
 
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They lost the war. To the victor go the spoils.

Slam the door shut, the US is full.
The US is also old, and if it were not for immigration would be in the same boat as Europe; losing population.
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Old 12-17-2017, 06:15 PM
 
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One of the primary jokes in regard to chain immigration is that it assumes that we are supposed to value these people as Americans. That is, when Bob's uncle from India arrives on a chain migration Visa (and later citizenship) he is automatically supposed to have political priority for us, as an American, over our cousins in Europe and elsewhere. Meanwhile, there is zero cultural nor any other link to Bob's uncle for us. He didn't even come here based on skill nor personal jeopardy.

In essence, the United States has been turned from a nation into a giant experiment in World Government, wherein no one has any meaningful national link but everyone abides by the same laws. Dissolve the culture and politically meaningful ethnic links, and borders melt away. That's the discussion that we should be having. That is, a discussion over the active methods to destroy any meaningful notion of nation as a means to dissolve the nation. Chain migration is a key method.
And will a percentage of these people.join any services to protect our country?
That is very important. People who will fight for their Country to protect it.
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Old 12-17-2017, 07:22 PM
 
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But even the ines i know who came here on chain migration are against chain migration...
Successful integration story, that one. Wanting to pull up the ladder once you're safe in the lifeboat is a cherished American tradition.
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Old 12-17-2017, 08:16 PM
 
Location: Florida
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Without the military, we would be in labor camps ran by China, North Korea, or Russia.
I don't see how dragging the US into the Vietnam war, or bombing the hell out of the Middle East is keeping us safe from Russia, China or North Korea.
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Old 12-17-2017, 09:33 PM
 
Location: NE Mississippi
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Some of my family members who wasn't born here came here legally. Why I have no empathy for illegals.
Right. For most of American history, there was no such thing as an illegal alien. If you wanted to go to America, you simply went to America.
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Old 12-17-2017, 11:23 PM
 
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So just because the Amerindians (who weren't native Americans) felt that way we should all adhere and comply to their beliefs in this modern day world? What makes their beliefs any more significant than ours?
No one said their beliefs are more significant than ours. Their beliefs are simply as valid as ours.

When my ancestors came here on the Mayflower, they acted in a way that they believed to be correct. But that was simply their viewpoint and not necessarily the viewpoint of those who opposed them. When I was deployed, my actions represented the viewpoint of this nation, but others on the ground had alternative viewpoints. What is right and wrong is in the eye of the beholder.

I know that not everyone attended college, but this stuff should really be taught in grade school.
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Old 12-18-2017, 03:45 AM
 
Location: Here and now.
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I understand the appeal of a merit-based immigration policy, but I do not believe it is a cure-all. The thing that disturbs me is the number of people who seem to believe that merit-based will somehow automatically protect us from terrorism. There is nothing to suggest that it will. Skills and ability are one thing; ideology is another.

If you want to argue for merit-based for economic reasons, go ahead, but let's not pretend that a highly educated, skilled radical is any less dangerous than a poorly educated, incompetent one (if anything, a talented individual with evil intent would be MORE dangerous), or that being educated, skilled, and intelligent is some kind of guarantee against radical beliefs.
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Old 12-18-2017, 05:12 AM
 
Location: Swiftwater, PA
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I understand the appeal of a merit-based immigration policy, but I do not believe it is a cure-all. The thing that disturbs me is the number of people who seem to believe that merit-based will somehow automatically protect us from terrorism. There is nothing to suggest that it will. Skills and ability are one thing; ideology is another.

If you want to argue for merit-based for economic reasons, go ahead, but let's not pretend that a highly educated, skilled radical is any less dangerous than a poorly educated, incompetent one (if anything, a talented individual with evil intent would be MORE dangerous), or that being educated, skilled, and intelligent is some kind of guarantee against radical beliefs.
I think of chain migration like I think of the one question that appears on many resumes: Do you know anybody or are you related to anybody that works for our company. The inference is somebody, with a history at the company, will put the company first and only recommend people that they feel will work efficiently. The reality is that we are all human. We will recommend our friends and relatives only because they are friends and relatives and overlook their flaws. Once the people, we recommended, get hired; some will never give the company a 'fair days work for a fair day's pay' - some simply feel they can get away with anything because of the 'power' of their relatives/friends in the company.

The world is a dangerous place. There are many that hate us - sometimes justified and sometimes not. The average cost in 2012 to keep an inmate in prison was a little over $31,000/year. In 2015 it was estimated that we spent over $100 billion on terrorist investigations. Opening our doors to everybody is a bad idea. Of course we can still make mistakes; we can still have those already inside our Country that are turned to the 'dark side'. It is still prudent/wise to take a good long look at those that want to enter.

As far as protectionism; I still am having problems with automation and population control. I have seen so many predictions of automation poised to take one third of our jobs in the next decade. I have not heard one solid plan on how we are going to deal with losing so many of our jobs. We will not need more workers; we will need fewer workers. Eventually we will need a new economic system other than Capitalism. Other than China; no counties have ever really tried to keep population growth down and now China has given up on their two babies policy. The world will run out of natural resources even faster. These are major questions and cannot be left out of the discussion.
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Old 12-18-2017, 06:22 AM
 
Location: SE Asia
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How much tax payer money is wasted on policing the rest of the world using our military?
That's an apples to oranges argument. Just because we waste money in other areas does not justify chain migration, taking in refugees that have nothing of value to offer this nation, or very poor enforcement of our immigration laws.
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