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Old 12-21-2017, 03:33 PM
 
Location: Long Island
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I supported shutting it down then and will again. Are the two parties incredibly hypocritical here? Absolutely. I do not understand how anyone can support either.

That's why I support shutting it down. It's not going to happen though.
Shutting down the government amounts to a paid holiday for employees and accomplishes nothing unless wasting a few billion is an accomplishment. Besides how can democrats shut down government, they would need help from the republicans.
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Old 12-21-2017, 03:33 PM
 
Location: Chesapeake Bay
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Over DACA? So the left is willing to shut down the government fighting for non-citizens who have no rights given that they’re criminals by their very presence in this country?

GOP has the majority. Vote it.

It is TOTALLY their fault if the gov't shuts down.

Stop trying to blame others for their own incompetence
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Old 12-21-2017, 03:36 PM
 
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Over DACA? So the left is willing to shut down the government fighting for non-citizens who have no rights given that they’re criminals by their very presence in this country?
Everyone in this country is entitled to the same rights regardless of whether they are here legally or not. Sorry if that disappoints you.
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Old 12-21-2017, 03:37 PM
 
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Shutting down the government amounts to a paid holiday for employees and accomplishes nothing unless wasting a few billion is an accomplishment. Besides how can democrats shut down government, they would need help from the republicans.
Exactly. But they will attempt to blame the Democrats anyway.
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Old 12-21-2017, 03:38 PM
 
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yup the continuing resolution just passed the house, and is now going on to the senate. Yawn any other nonsense today?
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Old 12-21-2017, 03:40 PM
 
Location: The Republic of Texas
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Congress must pass something to fund the government by Friday, Dec. 22, or the government runs out of money.

House Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi has already sent a message to all House Democrats, telling them to vote NO on whatever budget or CR the Republicans come up with. If/when the bill fails, she plans to then blame Republicans for the resulting shutdown, as Democrats have several times already.

Her excuse is that since Republicans have a numerical majority in the House, they should be able to pass whatever they want with no Democrat votes.

It's kind of ironic. When Republicans all vote the same way, she complains that they are marching in lockstep, not thinking for themselves, just blindly obeying the orders of some mysterious commanders or donors or whoever this week's bogeyman is.

But when some Republicans vote one way and others vote the other way, Democrats like Pelosi immediately complain that republicans "are in chaos", evidently not under sufficient control or something.

Orwell referred to this presto-changeo changing of mind, as "doublethink" in his novel 1984. He may have gotten the date off by a little, but his description is right on.

The idea that if 5% of Republicans vote No, while 100% of Democrats vote No on the same bill, therefore it's Republicans' fault the bill failed, is one of the sillier things the Democrats come up with.

Which way will it be this time? Are the Republicans out of control, in chaos? Or are they marching in sinister lockstep, as dictated by some malevolent powers-that-be? The Democrats will announce one of these conclusions, as regularly as a sunrise.

In any case, it will be the Republicans' fault, no matter what happens, and despite the fact that Democrats are the ones voting 100% to make the bill fail.

With Trump trying to get congress to shrink the size of Government, who is going to call who's bluff?
This time it will be Trump getting to decide what gets 17% shut down and it won't be the National Parks.
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Old 12-21-2017, 03:44 PM
 
Location: Austin
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IF all the republicans vote to keep it open and all the dems vote NO, the dems own the shut down. I'm not sure all the republicans will vote to keep the government open. those freedom caucus guys are a bit nuts.
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Old 12-21-2017, 03:45 PM
 
Location: Chesapeake Bay
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With Trump trying to get congress to shrink the size of Government, who is going to call who's bluff?
This time it will be Trump getting to decide what gets 17% shut down and it won't be the National Parks.
Yep. Shut down the FAA.
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Old 12-21-2017, 03:48 PM
 
Location: Chesapeake Bay
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IF all the republicans vote to keep it open and all the dems vote NO, the dems own the shut down. I'm not sure all the republicans will vote to keep the government open. those freedom caucus guys are a bit nuts.
Those freedumb caucus folks are republican. No amount of pretzel twisting alters that.

GOP owns the shutdown if it happens.
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Old 12-21-2017, 03:56 PM
 
Location: FL
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Congress must pass something to fund the government by Friday, Dec. 22, or the government runs out of money.

House Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi has already sent a message to all House Democrats, telling them to vote NO on whatever budget or CR the Republicans come up with. If/when the bill fails, she plans to then blame Republicans for the resulting shutdown, as Democrats have several times already.

Her excuse is that since Republicans have a numerical majority in the House, they should be able to pass whatever they want with no Democrat votes.

It's kind of ironic. When Republicans all vote the same way, she complains that they are marching in lockstep, not thinking for themselves, just blindly obeying the orders of some mysterious commanders or donors or whoever this week's bogeyman is.

But when some Republicans vote one way and others vote the other way, Democrats like Pelosi immediately complain that republicans "are in chaos", evidently not under sufficient control or something.

Orwell referred to this presto-changeo changing of mind, as "doublethink" in his novel 1984. He may have gotten the date off by a little, but his description is right on.

The idea that if 5% of Republicans vote No, while 100% of Democrats vote No on the same bill, therefore it's Republicans' fault the bill failed, is one of the sillier things the Democrats come up with.

Which way will it be this time? Are the Republicans out of control, in chaos? Or are they marching in sinister lockstep, as dictated by some malevolent powers-that-be? The Democrats will announce one of these conclusions, as regularly as a sunrise.

In any case, it will be the Republicans' fault, no matter what happens, and despite the fact that Democrats are the ones voting 100% to make the bill fail.
If it is good enough for the Republicans then it should be good enough for the Democrats.
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