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Old 12-29-2017, 02:39 PM
 
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You sound like Trump, and neither of you know the difference between weather and climate.
Neither do liberals who blame the hurricanes on AGW but in reality that’s just weather too.

 
Old 12-29-2017, 02:40 PM
 
Location: Del Rio, TN
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They almost froze completely in 2014, but this year it is the first time in 40 years.

https://coastwatch.glerl.noaa.gov/modis/region_map.html


That global warming thing, sure sucks!
Don't expect rational discussion. You'll have the AGW types stamping their little feet again and screaming "the science is settled". While being unable to show one climate model that has accurately predicted our weather.
 
Old 12-29-2017, 02:51 PM
 
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Don't bring this down rabbit trails. answer ths question -> Do you accept that CO2 has a positive forcing on the atmosphere?
I accept that its a theory that doesn’t make much sense.
 
Old 12-29-2017, 02:51 PM
 
Location: Harbor Springs, Michigan
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Great lakes freighters are still running so lake Superior is not iced over yet. St.Mary's river is having some issues but is by comparison narrow and shallow.

to see vessel passage check here, plenty of ships still out on the great lakes http://ais.boatnerd.com

We live in sight of Little Traverse Bay on Lake Michigan which also is not iced over. That satellite image isn't of ice its cloud, it clearly shows lines of lake effect snow which has been plentiful here this year in Northern Michigan.
 
Old 12-29-2017, 02:51 PM
 
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You're a pretty smart guy, I know you can do better than that. C'mon man. You may hate Gore for political reasons, and he may have really PO'd the scientifically illiterate amongst us, but I never took you for being one of them.
I drive an electric hybrid. I fully support investing in new technologies. We should strive to be as clean as we possibly reasonably can.

Gore is a charlatan. He is the Joel Osteen of the climate scam. He's only in it for the money. Every solution he comes up with is one that taxes the poor to pay for his scheme's.
 
Old 12-29-2017, 03:20 PM
 
Location: Minnysoda
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You know that's why they run Icebreakers on the GL's right? They get ice.......big ice ...that you have to break.....with a ship....

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USCGC_Mackinaw_(WLBB-30)
 
Old 12-29-2017, 03:27 PM
 
Location: On the Chesapeake
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In other news, the Chesapeake is starting clot up with ice near shore.
 
Old 12-29-2017, 03:37 PM
 
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They almost froze completely in 2014, but this year it is the first time in 40 years.

https://coastwatch.glerl.noaa.gov/modis/region_map.html


That global warming thing, sure sucks!
Seriously, climate and weather are NOT the same thing.

https://www.scientificamerican.com/a...arsher-winter/

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“You can’t tell much about the climate or where it’s headed by focusing on a particularly frigid day, or season, or year, even,” writes Eoin O’Carroll of the Christian Science Monitor. “It’s all in the long-term trends,” concurs Dr. Gavin Schmidt, a climatologist at NASA’s Goddard Institute for Space Studies.
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Most scientists agree that we need to differentiate between weather and climate. The NOAA defines climate as the average of weather over at least a 30-year period. So periodic aberrations—like the harsh winter storms ravaging the Southeast and other parts of the country this winter—do not call the science of human-induced global warming into question.
 
Old 12-29-2017, 03:39 PM
 
Location: NJ
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You sound like Trump, and neither of you know the difference between weather and climate.
Apparently taxpayer money spent by the government has reversed climate change from warming to cooling.


"According to the GAO, annual federal climate spending has increased from $4.6 billion in 2003 to $8.8 billion in 2010, amounting to $106.7 billion over that period"


"Data compiled by Joanne Nova at the Science and Policy Institute indicates that the U.S. Government spent more than $32.5 billion on climate studies between 1989 and 2009. This doesn't count about $79 billion more spent for climate change technology research, foreign aid and tax breaks for "green energy.""


Air conditioning is our enemy!


'The Small Business Administration estimates that compliance with such regulations costs the U.S. economy more than $1.75 trillion per year -- about 12%-14% of GDP, and half of the $3.456 trillion Washington is currently spending.'


The scam is the government's claim to reverse climate change.
 
Old 12-29-2017, 04:12 PM
 
Location: Flyover Country
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I drive an electric hybrid. I fully support investing in new technologies. We should strive to be as clean as we possibly reasonably can.

Gore is a charlatan. He is the Joel Osteen of the climate scam. He's only in it for the money. Every solution he comes up with is one that taxes the poor to pay for his scheme's.
I'm not a big fan of Al Gore and he has likely done more to alienate low information conservatives who otherwise may not have been so hostile to science (but instead allowed Rush Limbaugh to politicize a scientific issue, Rush being such an expert, and all.)

The "climate scam" is not a "scam" because of one man. Science is science, regardless of who is talking about it. Al Gore is not a scientist, he is a politician. He tried to meld the two in order to bring about foundational change and that was like a collision between a VW bug and a D10 dozer. He was taking on a trillion dollar industry and didn't stand a chance.

But there is good news. The rest of the world is leaving this country behind in the race to develop alternative fuels and it is leaving us looking like what we are, a bunch of dolts (thanks for that Republicans) and eventually the "free market" will force us to join the rest of the civilized world or become a Third World country.
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