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I have no dog in this fight since I really don't care about this issue that much since its a non issue to me. I'm personally not threaten by the Confederate flag or their failed past history or worried about some dead White Southerner General Officer's statue since A) He's dead and B) He was defeated and lost the war... Btw, these are two known facts that can't be argued and I didn't need to finish college to come to this conclusion.
Anyway!! Being a desendent of an African slave, "I" believe that by the laws of averages, that there were Blacks, slaves or freemen, serving in the Army of the CSA... How many, I don't know, but with all the known information, there were Black soldiers in the CSA, which is a known fact.
If you enlisted or in some other way agree to work or show up freely or by force... and stayed, wearing a military uniform, while working in the support duties of a cook, blacksmith, construction or whatever, YOU are a soldier of that Army since YOU, by the laws of land warfare, are a combatant.
By saying that these men of color were not Soldiers since they were only cooks or laborers, YOU are basically saying that ALL the men and women that have served, past or present, in the U.S. Military in the positions of cooks and other similar positions WERE NOT "real" Soldiers, Sailors, Marines or Airmen. If so, you're dead wrong since they are, which is also another known fact.
Also, try telling an Army or Marine cook that he/she isn't a "real" Soldier or a Marine... Not only will you get your feelings hurt, but be prepared to be "scuffed up" a little bit afterwards.
On a side-note, there were many Jews serving in Hitler's army, navy and Air Force. Some known and other not... Yes, it would be easier for a German-Jewish person to blend in the Nazi army than an African-American blending the CSA's army. Weird stuff has always happens in war. IMHO, this isn't that odd... Weird? Yes. shockingly odd? No.
Was it official Nazi policy to allow Jews to serve in their armed forces? No. But, it's a fact that there were Jews serving in a Nazi uniform. So, "I" wouldn't be too shocked if misguided men of color served in the CSA's army.
Forget about all the political correctness and simply deal with the facts of an issue. The last thing "I" want to see is the Changing of OUR history soley on the grounds of policital correctness. I truly believe it's very important for US, as a people, needing to accept OUR history, both good and bad "AND" learn from it.
I'm not to sure why any Black or mixed race person, free or a slave, would serve in the CSA. If anything, I would have made my way north and joined the Union Army... After killing "my" master or escape to Mexico.
South Carolina, with all its resources, hasn’t found any.
Like you, I believe in the law of averages and Murphy’s Law...but that’s hardly a reason to build a monument.
I've seen a handful on confederate pension applications. I recall some musicians, but I'm sure there were cooks too. No fighting men that I can remember. I doubt anybody is interested, however if you are doing a family tree or something here's a link.
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I have no dog in this fight since I really don't care about this issue that much since its a non issue to me. I'm personally not threaten by the Confederate flag or their failed past history or worried about some dead White Southern General Officer's statue since A) He's dead and B) He was defeated and lost the war... Btw, these are two known facts that can't be argued and I didn't need to finish college to come to this conclusion.
Anyway!! Being a desendent of an African slave, "I" believe that by the laws of averages, that there were Blacks, slaves or freemen, serving in the Army of the CSA... How many, I don't know, but with all the known information, there were Black soldiers in the CSA, which is a known fact.
If you enlisted or in some other way agree to work or show up freely or by force... and stayed, wearing a military uniform, while working in the support duties of a cook, blacksmith, construction or whatever, YOU are a soldier of that Army since YOU, by the laws of land warfare, are now a combatant.
By saying that these men of color were not Soldiers since they were only cooks or laborers, YOU are basically saying that ALL the men and women that have served, past or present, in the U.S. Military in the positions of cooks and other similar positions WERE NOT "real" Soldiers, Sailors, Marines or Airmen. If so, you're dead wrong since they are, which is also another known fact.
Also, try telling an Army or Marine cook that he/she isn't a "real" Soldier or a Marine... Not only will you get your feelings hurt, but be prepared to be "scuffed up" a little bit afterwards.
On a side-note, there were many Jews serving in Hitler's army, navy and Air Force. Some known and other not... Yes, it would be easier for a German-Jewish person to blend in the Nazi army than an African-American blending the CSA's army. Weird stuff has always happens in war. IMHO, this isn't that odd... Weird? Yes. shockingly odd? No.
Was it official Nazi policy to allow Jews to serve in their armed forces? No. But, it's a fact that there were Jews serving in a Nazi uniform. So, "I" wouldn't be too shocked if misguided men of color served in the CSA's army.
Forget about all the political correctness and simply deal with the facts of an issue. The last thing "I" want to see is the Changing of OUR history soley on the grounds of policital correctness. I truly believe it's very important for US, as a people, needing to accept OUR history, both good and bad "AND" learn from it.
I'm not to sure why any Black or mixed race person, free or a slave, would serve in the CSA's army or navy. If anything, I would like to think that if "I" was in that situation, I would have made my way north and joined the Union Army... After killing "my" master or escape to Mexico.
Since I was never a slave or ever known a slave, "I" can't pass judgement on any Black slave or free man that sided with the CSA since I don't know all the hardships and horror that he had experienced in his life of total bondage.
Are you aware that in the Civil War, cooks were hired by groups of officers, while enlisted men were issued rations, which they cooked? The officers furnished their own food, the cooking of that food, & uniforms. The laundress was paid for her services by the people who used her services. They were NOT soldiers. They came & went at will. The teamsters carried supplies in wagons. They were paid at a lower rate & generally not armed, unless they had a personal weapon & were not expected to fight in a battle. They were employed by the army & were absolutely not soldiers. At the battle of Stones River, when the wagons of the 24th Corps were attacked, all accounts were that the teamsters scattered like cockroaches. They were not expected to put themselves in harms way. You can't compare Civil War armies to the modern army.
TOS rules are REALLY preventing me from airing you out.
Explain how it’s not exactly the same thing and how ridiculous it is to believe there were no blacks who believed in the Confederate cause. You’re telling me there was 100% consensus that their way of life for hundreds of years had to change. Ever heard of the Stockholm Syndrome?
Explain how it’s not exactly the same thing and how ridiculous it is to believe there were no blacks who believed in the Confederate cause. You’re telling me there was 100% consensus that their way of life for hundreds of years had to change. Ever heard of the Stockholm Syndrome?
Ever heard of begging the question?
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