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Old 01-05-2018, 10:58 AM
 
Location: USA
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It was. It was a Socialist illusion. It wasn't because of market fundamentals.
So the Federal Reserve is now Socialist? Ha!

 
Old 01-05-2018, 11:00 AM
 
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So the Federal Reserve is now Socialist? Ha!
We have done this over and over. Yes, Q.E. is and was a socialist policy.

Quantitative easing is akin to socialism because it robs savers to rescue undeserving borrowers

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/p...e-illegal.html

Even the Socialists recognize it as socialism.

https://www.socialistparty.org.uk/articles/19997
 
Old 01-05-2018, 11:02 AM
 
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It was. It was a Socialist illusion. It wasn't because of market fundamentals.
I think this might be the first time I've heard of the stock market being any sort of socialist anything!

Good one!

Market fundamental #1: investors put their money where they feel they will get the best ROI over time.

It's that plain and simple and not commonly described in any sort of socialist context...
 
Old 01-05-2018, 11:02 AM
 
Location: East Coast of the United States
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It was. It was a Socialist illusion. It wasn't because of market fundamentals.
It was a reversion to the mean. The stock market was undervalued in early 2009. It took 4 years after that just to get back to the level it was in August 2000.

So, Essentially the stock market went nowhere for 12 1/2 years (August 2000-March 2013).
 
Old 01-05-2018, 11:09 AM
 
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We have done this over and over. Yes, Q.E. is and was a socialist policy.

Quantitative easing is akin to socialism because it robs savers to rescue undeserving borrowers

'QE is socialism. It should be illegal' - Telegraph

Even the Socialists recognize it as socialism.

https://www.socialistparty.org.uk/articles/19997
Oh boy...

Of course you can believe whatever you choose to read, but QE is essentially implemented to lower interest rates and increase the money supply. Not sure who you think benefits from the likes, but it isn't mostly the little people whom socialists typically believe they are advocating for. Right? Wouldn't hurt to review the definition of socialism while we're at it I think...
 
Old 01-05-2018, 11:09 AM
 
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I think this might be the first time I've heard of the stock market being any sort of socialist anything!

Good one!

Market fundamental #1: investors put their money where they feel they will get the best ROI over time.

It's that plain and simple and not commonly described in any sort of socialist context...
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It was a reversion to the mean. The stock market was undervalued in early 2009. It took 4 years after that just to get back to the level it was in August 2000.

So, Essentially the stock market went nowhere for 12 1/2 years (August 2000-March 2013).
How is it right that those who saved should have to get nothing to bail out those who were in debt? How is that not socialism? One group bailing out another?
 
Old 01-05-2018, 11:11 AM
 
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Oh boy...

Of course you can believe whatever you choose to read, but QE is essentially implemented to lower interest rates and increase the money supply. Not sure who you think benefits from the likes, but it isn't mostly the little people whom socialists typically believe they are advocating for. Right? Wouldn't hurt to review the definition of socialism while we're at it I think...
It is not I that needs to understand the definition and you clearly explain why. Socialism is not a program designed to only go in one direction even though generally that is what we see. Taking from anyone to give to another is socialism. Up, down, it doesn't matter.
 
Old 01-05-2018, 11:13 AM
 
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Even the Socialists recognize it as socialism.

https://www.socialistparty.org.uk/articles/19997
Curious, and always interested to learn something new, I had a look at your link...

The title of your article reads, "Quantitative Easing: Socialism for the rich!"

What a kick! IOWs, not socialism at all!!!

What's next? The Rolls Royce is now the new car of the people?!?
 
Old 01-05-2018, 11:15 AM
 
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It is not I that needs to understand the definition and you clearly explain why. Socialism is not a program designed to only go in one direction even though generally that is what we see. Taking from anyone to give to another is socialism. Up, down, it doesn't matter.
No PK, not right. Not at all...

Socialism is not the taking of money from the poor and giving it to the rich. It's not up or down. It surely does matter if you are really going to be using these terms correctly.
 
Old 01-05-2018, 11:18 AM
 
Location: USA
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We have done this over and over. Yes, Q.E. is and was a socialist policy.

Quantitative easing is akin to socialism because it robs savers to rescue undeserving borrowers

'QE is socialism. It should be illegal' - Telegraph

Even the Socialists recognize it as socialism.

https://www.socialistparty.org.uk/articles/19997
If it’s socialism, it’s socialism for the rich (specifically bankers). The freshly printed money went to private banks to loan out at interest. It didn’t go to poor people.
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